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[Kikapu]

Kikapou i might be "pig headed" but u are a naive fool, if you believe your freedom and what is "best for everyone" lies in the hands of the Greeks )

Who said anything about leaving you future in the hands of the Greeks, as you put it. Get your mind away from the Doom & Gloom mode my friend, then you might see all your options for your country of Cyprus.

[shahmaran]

i do see plenty of options my friend, just the difference is that Greeks are not really in any of them....

...and i have not used the word FUTURE, not once, so no cheating and twisting now!

[Viewpoint]

One less TV or one less car or more money will not make us better or more happy people. I and many TCs would rather have the peace of mind we have enjoyed for 33 years than the prospects of living in a GC state as a minority. The only unification structure that made TCs say yes is totally unacceptable to GCs so that must tell you a great deal. Work it out for yourself.

....couldnt agree more!

TRNC is the most peacefull and easy-going place i have ever lived in so far, im so thankfull i grew up there and not in an EU city, and i do love travelling!

TCs are so lovely and so distand to the shit any other EU city will bring, im god damn proud to be one! it has allowed me to see every other country i visit with such a different eye...

Close the gates, let these foools see that we mean business, make them loose this "you owe it to us, its ours, YOU have to negotiate with US" attitude, let them understand we dont want them as much as they want us, so if they want anything from us it has to be negotiated from a more even angle.

I personally have not taken anyobodys land nor property so as far as im concerned i dont owe anyone anything!

This is exactly what the GCs cant stomach as they know full well that we are happy in our own area and visiting makes them even more infuriated with our standard of living as they expects us all to be uneducated and poor. Well time to wise up if we can progrees this much under isolation you just watch us as the emabrgoes ease over the coming years which believe they will as the EU will get sick and tired of the souths negative stance, the cracks are already evident. Thats why the GCs want to keep us economically hostage all in the name of enforcing their demands ho no what is it called now keep us wanting a solution. Well a new car or a few more holidays a year or more money is no match to having the one most important feeling which is peace of mind. The tranquility and pace of life is the most imprtant assets we posses and we as TCs should never forget this. Look at the distance we have covered since 1963 to today, you may argue it could have been better but so could it have been better for many other countries and we are no further behind many of the new EU countries. We should be grateful for the current environment we have to bring our children up in peace and without the fear of aggression which is why we left those times back in 1974. If there is ever to be a solution it has to be shown to TCs that it will be better than what we have today the Annan plan was an example of this but of course it was totally unacceptable to GCs.

[shahmaran]

VP i just LOVE your perspective on the subject

[Viewpoint]

Kikapou i might be "pig headed" but u are a naive fool, if you believe your freedom and what is "best for everyone" lies in the hands of the Greeks )

Who said anything about leaving you future in the hands of the Greeks, as you put it. Get your mind away from the Doom & Gloom mode my friend, then you might see all your options for your country of Cyprus.

So if we were in a majority rule situation who would our future be in the hands of. You really do not know the GC mindset very weill and you are dilluded in many areas they cant even digest a Turkish song going to what some call as an irrelevent song contest let alone accept sharing ruling Cyprus on equal terms. They will force us into minority status and ensure we never get into governement that why very strict safeguards are necessarry to ensure this never happens. Of course the GCs are against this.

[Viewpoint]

VP i just LOVE your perspective on the subject

Thanks feelings mutual.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu why are so concerned about how shahmaran views his nationality, he could think hes a martian why do you care so much? and are trying to make him accept he is a "Cypriot" without the Turkish part of his identity.

You feel you are closer to your GC "brothers" .

If Shahmaran was from Mars, I would be happy to call him a Martian. Well he is not from Mars, but instead, he is from Cyprus, so it goes without saying, I would have thought, that he is in fact, a Cypriot, and a Turkish one at that. I never asked him not to acknowledge his Turkishness, have I ??

Don't forget VP, the GC's are also your "brothers", not only mine. You may hate your "brothers", but they are part of you, and vice versa. Yes, it is a wonderful feeling, that I have a choice to live in the RoC or the "TRNC", (as long as it lasts). But in the event, the "wall" comes down, I will not be a stranger to either side, unlike most of you, and that's because I have maintained my Cypriotness. Even if every Greek Cypriot in the RoC would be horrible to me when I visit there in April, they cannot take away my right to be there or being a Cypriot.

[shahmaran]

oh come on Kikapu! first of all, you were more curious about where i was from more then anyone else, infact you very clearly stated that it would make a big difference if i was Turkish or TC or half half or whatever, i could have been Persian for all i care, or even GC i think, any honest objective look on the conflict would find that the Turks are the ones who are getting screwed over this time... and i am perfectly capable of living with other ethnicities, including GCs, but this is not about my personal preference of a decent neighbour, its a lot more then that, its more about the future of my ethnicity, so lets not forget that, i do not have anything against anyone, i have already mentioned it many times!

[zan]

Kifeas you forget we are recognised by one country and that is all it needs. As for the rest we have to work a little harder.

Which country apparently is also the illegal invader and illegal occupier of the northern part of the RoC in which you assumed the illegitimate right to declare your "TRNC," after the invader had ethnically cleansed the vast majority of the area's indigenous population - the Greek Cypriots, and usurped all their properties. I am "afraid" it is not quite enough that you are recognised by Turkey, under the above circumstances and conditions, that is why nobody else did recognise you, nor the UN organs that it is their job to make and authorise such recognition but which to the contrary have issued a resolution condemning and calling invalid and nullified such a so-called "TRNC" independence declaration.

If a tree falls in the wood and there is one person there to hear it then the question of whether it makes a noise or not is nullified.


Turkey is recognised all over the world and therefore we exist. You can hide behind your fists all you like ….but I can see you widdle mannn.

[Kikapu]

oh come on Kikapu! first of all, you were more curious about where i was from more then anyone else, infact you very clearly stated that it would make a big difference if i was Turkish or TC or half half or whatever, i could have been Persian for all i care, or even GC i think, any honest objective look on the conflict would find that the Turks are the ones who are getting screwed over this time... and i am perfectly capable of living with other ethnicities, including GCs, but this is not about my personal preference of a decent neighbour, its a lot more then that, its more about the future of my ethnicity, so lets not forget that, i do not have anything against anyone, i have already mentioned it many times!

If you or your parents were from Turkey or any other nation, and the fact they and you have been living in the "TRNC", would not have made you a "Cypriot". Since you have clarified your status as born to Cypriot Parents, that makes you a Cypriot and not a Martian, I'm happy to say.

Of course the TC's are the one's getting screwed over time, and will continue to be, unless we can all agree to meet each other half way. I hope you were not expecting the "rose garden", when we are holding onto other peoples land. Would you not try to screw the other party, if the shoe were on the other foot. Both sides have something what the other side wants, so why don't we all give each other what we all want, and what ever is left over, we can both share it.