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[zan]

Am I right or or am I wrong when I say that it's the height of rudeness to turn down the offer of a drink in Cyprus?

VP wouldn't know...he's not Cypriot he's a mainland Turk.

No Bill the hieght of rudeness is just being rude.

[bill cobbett]

And there was me thinking that the height of rudeness is the height of rudeness.

[DT.]

Shah , I would not contemplate for one second accepting views from any of my compatriots who have as their goal the permanent division of our island. The so called Georgian Greeks could perhaps in 20 -30 years demand their own nation in Cyprus , and how about the Eastern Europeans or indeed the Brits. Do we return to the days when evey town had its own kingdom. No Sir , a True Cypriot is one who like the true Maltese , Italian , French or Spanish is not embarrassed to call himself a Cypriot. I often said to those who see as their motherland a foreign nation to do us a favour and return to their perceived motherlands, Cyprus is for the Cypriots .

Why do you constantly accuse us of wanting the motherland. What we have set up is the TRNC and that is part of our Cypriotness. We have no mother land to go to. What we have said is that if we have to chose by force then Turkey will be our choice over a Greek run Cyprus which you have admitted to parts of the RoC being. I don't hate my fellow Cypriots whether they want to live in the south or the north. Why should I tolerate your hate. If that is the way things are going to be in a united Cyprus where I cannot have my own views then I do not want a united Cyprus. Here is an interview with Makarios, can you see the simularities?



O.F.: Is this really what worries you. Beatitude? I mean the tragedy of the Turkish Cypriots? It doesn't seem to me that so far they've been the object of much concern. They've been treated like second class citizens and . . .

M: That's not true! It=s not true! Though they=re a minority, they=ve had a lot of privileges, and they've behaved as though they represented the majority. We haven't been the ones to mistreat them, it was their Turkish leaders, by forcing them to live in separate villages, blackmailing them, keeping them from co-operating with us even economically, and from progressing. They didn't even let them do business with us, or help us to develop tourism. They weren't our victims, they were their victims. Nobody can deny that a true democracy, and a good one, exists in Cyprus. In their newspapers the Turks could abuse me and insult me as much as they liked. They could come to see me at the archbishop's palace whenever they liked. The trouble is they were obliged to come secretly, without their leaders knowing it. In mixed villages we had no problem living together, in the past and at the time of the Greco-Turkish war as well. What you say isn=t true.

O.F.: And is it true that you deprived them of many constitutional privileges, Beatitude? M.: I deprived them of nothing. I simply complained about those privileges because they only served to hamper the functioning of the state. The Constitution provides that they be represented in the government at the ratio of thirty percent. And very often the Turkish Cypriots didn't have people capable of filling that thirty percent. There was, for example, a post that I could have been filled by an intelligent Greek and it had to be given to an illiterate Turk just because he was a Turk. Once they voted against taxes. I tried to explain to them that a state can't survive if the citizens don't pay taxes, and they refused anyway. So I forced them to pay all the same. Was that an abuse? Another time, when I was about to go to Belgrade for the conference of nonaligned countries, Mr. Denktash tried to stop me from going by exercising his veto power. I told him, "Exercise it all you like. I'm going just the same." Was that an abuse?'


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/makarios ... allaci.htm

eeerrr Zan? what exactly is wrong with this interview?

[Viewpoint]

Am I right or or am I wrong when I say that it's the height of rudeness to turn down the offer of a drink in Cyprus?

VP wouldn't know...he's not Cypriot he's a mainland Turk.

Im a proud Turkish Cypriot not a Turk, they are just as different as Greek Cypriots are from Turkish Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

A few drinks Zan and before you know it you'll be converted to "Cypriotism"

VP I told you a while back that my brains are in my arse and Miltiades said that he is not gay so unless he changes his sexuality he is not going to change me.


Really though I thought you understood me

I do zan no worries just joking, so if miltiades was gay you would convert to being a born again "Cypriot" if he went to bed with you?

[zan]

A few drinks Zan and before you know it you'll be converted to "Cypriotism"

VP I told you a while back that my brains are in my arse and Miltiades said that he is not gay so unless he changes his sexuality he is not going to change me.


Really though I thought you understood me

I do zan no worries just joking, so if miltiades was gay you would convert to being a born again "Cypriot" if he went to bed with you?

Oh I see. You understand me even more than I thought.


Militiades is much too old for me

[zan]

Shah , I would not contemplate for one second accepting views from any of my compatriots who have as their goal the permanent division of our island. The so called Georgian Greeks could perhaps in 20 -30 years demand their own nation in Cyprus , and how about the Eastern Europeans or indeed the Brits. Do we return to the days when evey town had its own kingdom. No Sir , a True Cypriot is one who like the true Maltese , Italian , French or Spanish is not embarrassed to call himself a Cypriot. I often said to those who see as their motherland a foreign nation to do us a favour and return to their perceived motherlands, Cyprus is for the Cypriots .

Why do you constantly accuse us of wanting the motherland. What we have set up is the TRNC and that is part of our Cypriotness. We have no mother land to go to. What we have said is that if we have to chose by force then Turkey will be our choice over a Greek run Cyprus which you have admitted to parts of the RoC being. I don't hate my fellow Cypriots whether they want to live in the south or the north. Why should I tolerate your hate. If that is the way things are going to be in a united Cyprus where I cannot have my own views then I do not want a united Cyprus. Here is an interview with Makarios, can you see the simularities?



O.F.: Is this really what worries you. Beatitude? I mean the tragedy of the Turkish Cypriots? It doesn't seem to me that so far they've been the object of much concern. They've been treated like second class citizens and . . .

M: That's not true! It=s not true! Though they=re a minority, they=ve had a lot of privileges, and they've behaved as though they represented the majority. We haven't been the ones to mistreat them, it was their Turkish leaders, by forcing them to live in separate villages, blackmailing them, keeping them from co-operating with us even economically, and from progressing. They didn't even let them do business with us, or help us to develop tourism. They weren't our victims, they were their victims. Nobody can deny that a true democracy, and a good one, exists in Cyprus. In their newspapers the Turks could abuse me and insult me as much as they liked. They could come to see me at the archbishop's palace whenever they liked. The trouble is they were obliged to come secretly, without their leaders knowing it. In mixed villages we had no problem living together, in the past and at the time of the Greco-Turkish war as well. What you say isn=t true.

O.F.: And is it true that you deprived them of many constitutional privileges, Beatitude? M.: I deprived them of nothing. I simply complained about those privileges because they only served to hamper the functioning of the state. The Constitution provides that they be represented in the government at the ratio of thirty percent. And very often the Turkish Cypriots didn't have people capable of filling that thirty percent. There was, for example, a post that I could have been filled by an intelligent Greek and it had to be given to an illiterate Turk just because he was a Turk. Once they voted against taxes. I tried to explain to them that a state can't survive if the citizens don't pay taxes, and they refused anyway. So I forced them to pay all the same. Was that an abuse? Another time, when I was about to go to Belgrade for the conference of nonaligned countries, Mr. Denktash tried to stop me from going by exercising his veto power. I told him, "Exercise it all you like. I'm going just the same." Was that an abuse?'


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/makarios ... allaci.htm

eeerrr Zan? what exactly is wrong with this interview?

I tell you what, why don't you have a go at telling me what is right with it first and then we will discuss it. Not forgetting what happened after this intransigence though.

[BirKibrisli]

Glad to see all you oranges and lemons are behaving yourselves.
Nothing like a bit of whip cracking to put the fear of God into you,huh!

You now have one more day before I return to my computer.
I hope you'll solve the Cypro peacefully by then...

[Pyrpolizer]

its true Miltiades, but i think Cyprus is bit of an exception compared to all those countries since we do have some weird situations going on here, i would love to call my self only Cypriot some day too, and hopefully thoose days are not far...

But you are right, Cyprus IS for Cypriots and amen to that...

Shahmaran , you have posted 407 posts , the above is your best so far.

So it's about time you give my son a brake Miltiades. I told you from the beginning he was a good person.

[DT.]

Shah , I would not contemplate for one second accepting views from any of my compatriots who have as their goal the permanent division of our island. The so called Georgian Greeks could perhaps in 20 -30 years demand their own nation in Cyprus , and how about the Eastern Europeans or indeed the Brits. Do we return to the days when evey town had its own kingdom. No Sir , a True Cypriot is one who like the true Maltese , Italian , French or Spanish is not embarrassed to call himself a Cypriot. I often said to those who see as their motherland a foreign nation to do us a favour and return to their perceived motherlands, Cyprus is for the Cypriots .

Why do you constantly accuse us of wanting the motherland. What we have set up is the TRNC and that is part of our Cypriotness. We have no mother land to go to. What we have said is that if we have to chose by force then Turkey will be our choice over a Greek run Cyprus which you have admitted to parts of the RoC being. I don't hate my fellow Cypriots whether they want to live in the south or the north. Why should I tolerate your hate. If that is the way things are going to be in a united Cyprus where I cannot have my own views then I do not want a united Cyprus. Here is an interview with Makarios, can you see the simularities?



O.F.: Is this really what worries you. Beatitude? I mean the tragedy of the Turkish Cypriots? It doesn't seem to me that so far they've been the object of much concern. They've been treated like second class citizens and . . .

M: That's not true! It=s not true! Though they=re a minority, they=ve had a lot of privileges, and they've behaved as though they represented the majority. We haven't been the ones to mistreat them, it was their Turkish leaders, by forcing them to live in separate villages, blackmailing them, keeping them from co-operating with us even economically, and from progressing. They didn't even let them do business with us, or help us to develop tourism. They weren't our victims, they were their victims. Nobody can deny that a true democracy, and a good one, exists in Cyprus. In their newspapers the Turks could abuse me and insult me as much as they liked. They could come to see me at the archbishop's palace whenever they liked. The trouble is they were obliged to come secretly, without their leaders knowing it. In mixed villages we had no problem living together, in the past and at the time of the Greco-Turkish war as well. What you say isn=t true.

O.F.: And is it true that you deprived them of many constitutional privileges, Beatitude? M.: I deprived them of nothing. I simply complained about those privileges because they only served to hamper the functioning of the state. The Constitution provides that they be represented in the government at the ratio of thirty percent. And very often the Turkish Cypriots didn't have people capable of filling that thirty percent. There was, for example, a post that I could have been filled by an intelligent Greek and it had to be given to an illiterate Turk just because he was a Turk. Once they voted against taxes. I tried to explain to them that a state can't survive if the citizens don't pay taxes, and they refused anyway. So I forced them to pay all the same. Was that an abuse? Another time, when I was about to go to Belgrade for the conference of nonaligned countries, Mr. Denktash tried to stop me from going by exercising his veto power. I told him, "Exercise it all you like. I'm going just the same." Was that an abuse?'


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/makarios ... allaci.htm

eeerrr Zan? what exactly is wrong with this interview?

I tell you what, why don't you have a go at telling me what is right with it first and then we will discuss it. Not forgetting what happened after this intransigence though.

you posted it...tell me whats wrong with it.