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[zan]

[Look at Birs last post. He has now drawn a line and is ready to fight even though for years he has been saying that conflict is not the right way to go about it. I am satisfied and disappointed that my fears are coming to light.

I think Bir is tired of trying to talk sense to bunch of lemons, so he might as well squeeze some and at least make some lemon juice out of it, which is more useful than just having bunch a lemons sitting on the shelf.

Thats fine but if he thinks that he is going to get orange juice from lemons then he better be ready for the bitter taste. I am not angry at him for not changing his mind, what right has he got to be, or any one else for that matter. I hate true Cypriots

[shahmaran]

i say a TRUE Cypriot would accept the views of another fellow countryman without resorting to terms such as "True Cypriot" which isolates himself from his own people by trying to advocate unification, therefore making it a very contradictory term.

[miltiades]

Shah , I would not contemplate for one second accepting views from any of my compatriots who have as their goal the permanent division of our island. The so called Georgian Greeks could perhaps in 20 -30 years demand their own nation in Cyprus , and how about the Eastern Europeans or indeed the Brits. Do we return to the days when evey town had its own kingdom. No Sir , a True Cypriot is one who like the true Maltese , Italian , French or Spanish is not embarrassed to call himself a Cypriot. I often said to those who see as their motherland a foreign nation to do us a favour and return to their perceived motherlands, Cyprus is for the Cypriots .

[shahmaran]

its true Miltiades, but i think Cyprus is bit of an exception compared to all those countries since we do have some weird situations going on here, i would love to call my self only Cypriot some day too, and hopefully thoose days are not far...

But you are right, Cyprus IS for Cypriots and amen to that...

[zan]

Shah , I would not contemplate for one second accepting views from any of my compatriots who have as their goal the permanent division of our island. The so called Georgian Greeks could perhaps in 20 -30 years demand their own nation in Cyprus , and how about the Eastern Europeans or indeed the Brits. Do we return to the days when evey town had its own kingdom. No Sir , a True Cypriot is one who like the true Maltese , Italian , French or Spanish is not embarrassed to call himself a Cypriot. I often said to those who see as their motherland a foreign nation to do us a favour and return to their perceived motherlands, Cyprus is for the Cypriots .

Why do you constantly accuse us of wanting the motherland. What we have set up is the TRNC and that is part of our Cypriotness. We have no mother land to go to. What we have said is that if we have to chose by force then Turkey will be our choice over a Greek run Cyprus which you have admitted to parts of the RoC being. I don't hate my fellow Cypriots whether they want to live in the south or the north. Why should I tolerate your hate. If that is the way things are going to be in a united Cyprus where I cannot have my own views then I do not want a united Cyprus. Here is an interview with Makarios, can you see the simularities?



O.F.: Is this really what worries you. Beatitude? I mean the tragedy of the Turkish Cypriots? It doesn't seem to me that so far they've been the object of much concern. They've been treated like second class citizens and . . .

M: That's not true! It=s not true! Though they=re a minority, they=ve had a lot of privileges, and they've behaved as though they represented the majority. We haven't been the ones to mistreat them, it was their Turkish leaders, by forcing them to live in separate villages, blackmailing them, keeping them from co-operating with us even economically, and from progressing. They didn't even let them do business with us, or help us to develop tourism. They weren't our victims, they were their victims. Nobody can deny that a true democracy, and a good one, exists in Cyprus. In their newspapers the Turks could abuse me and insult me as much as they liked. They could come to see me at the archbishop's palace whenever they liked. The trouble is they were obliged to come secretly, without their leaders knowing it. In mixed villages we had no problem living together, in the past and at the time of the Greco-Turkish war as well. What you say isn=t true.

O.F.: And is it true that you deprived them of many constitutional privileges, Beatitude? M.: I deprived them of nothing. I simply complained about those privileges because they only served to hamper the functioning of the state. The Constitution provides that they be represented in the government at the ratio of thirty percent. And very often the Turkish Cypriots didn't have people capable of filling that thirty percent. There was, for example, a post that I could have been filled by an intelligent Greek and it had to be given to an illiterate Turk just because he was a Turk. Once they voted against taxes. I tried to explain to them that a state can't survive if the citizens don't pay taxes, and they refused anyway. So I forced them to pay all the same. Was that an abuse? Another time, when I was about to go to Belgrade for the conference of nonaligned countries, Mr. Denktash tried to stop me from going by exercising his veto power. I told him, "Exercise it all you like. I'm going just the same." Was that an abuse?'


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/makarios ... allaci.htm

[Kikapu]

Thats fine but if he thinks that he is going to get orange juice from lemons then he better be ready for the bitter taste. I am not angry at him for not changing his mind, what right has he got to be, or any one else for that matter. I hate true Cypriots

Only a lemon would think, that one can get an Orange juice, from a lemon.

If you hate "True Cypriots", you will be hating your Cypriot "cousins".

[miltiades]

its true Miltiades, but i think Cyprus is bit of an exception compared to all those countries since we do have some weird situations going on here, i would love to call my self only Cypriot some day too, and hopefully thoose days are not far...

But you are right, Cyprus IS for Cypriots and amen to that...

Shahmaran , you have posted 407 posts , the above is your best so far.

[Viewpoint]

its true Miltiades, but i think Cyprus is bit of an exception compared to all those countries since we do have some weird situations going on here, i would love to call my self only Cypriot some day too, and hopefully thoose days are not far...

But you are right, Cyprus IS for Cypriots and amen to that...

Shahmaran , you have posted 407 posts , the above is your best so far.

Does that make you feel you are winning him over and turning him into a "True Cypriot"? All he knows is the TRNC and what the GC convey in what they do and say, how can he be just a Cypriot, he is a new generation Turkish Cypriot through and through.

[miltiades]

Why do you constantly accuse us of wanting the motherland. What we have set up is the TRNC and that is part of our Cypriotness. We have no mother land to go to. What we have said is that if we have to chose by force then Turkey will be our choice over a Greek run Cyprus which you have admitted to parts of the RoC being. I don't hate my fellow Cypriots whether they want to live in the south or the north. Why should I tolerate your hate. If that is the way things are going to be in a united Cyprus where I cannot have my own views then I do not want a united Cyprus.
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Zan , you are inferring that I'm accusing the T/Cs of wanting a foreign country as their motherland. My condemnation is to all who deny Cyprus in favour of Turkey or Greece. I remonstrated with many G/Cs in the past so my comments are aimed at all who ditch their country of birth and attach themselves to another. You talk about my "hate" your wrong , we disagree , we argue , why on earth should I hate you Zan , and who said you can not have your own views !
Fancy a drink perhaps , come on man where is your sense of humour , I dont bite and I'm not gay in case wondering !!

[miltiades]

Bloody quotes I will never get them right .