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[zan]

The Dreamer from England who does not even speak Turkish is absolutely certain he is a little from all of them.

In my opinion you will die looking around for your identity.

Who told you that I don't speak Turkish Pyro. Saturday night and you have been hitting the ouzo or what. You really are stabbing in the dark now.

[miltiades]

Alittle from all of them , Zan says , does that include some of the 20 million Kurds ?

[zan]

Alittle from all of them , Zan says , does that include some of the 20 million Kurds ?

Yes. I go into newly opened Kurdish shops over in Hackney and quite frankly cannot see a difference. They have all the variety in their appearance as the Turks do.

[Kikapu]

i have stopped taking Kifeas seriously a long time ago, arguing with him is like arguing with a 100 year old dead oak tree, nothing new to offer!

but i do have to say this to Kikapu, trust me my friend i am NOT LOST! infact im probably one of the only ones whos nationaliy has not been successfully diluted by the Greeks as yourself, plus i do not believe that my identity is all that dependant on my "nationality", and more importantly i have learned that "playing it safe" usually equals to what i believe is called a "herd psyschology" which is definately not my thing, but if you "feel safe" doing it then be my guest, but definately dont expect me to simply FOLLOW!! thats probably the saddest thing i have heard since i have joined this forum, and its even more sad to see that it comes from a TC! : /

I will take you on your word that you are NOT LOST,Shahmaran,but you are certainly VERY CONFUSED. You accuse kikapu of having a "herd psychology" for sticking his neck out and claiming that he is 100% Cypriot.
Is that a sign of somebody who FOLLOWS as you say?And how does that make Kikapu "feel safe" exactly?

I'd say that those who want to "feel safe" are those who are content to live in an open prison,under military rule (however disguised it might be).
If I were you I would be ashamed that my President had to go cap in hand to the Chief of Staff of Turkey's military,simply to be allowed to pull down a silly bridge that he himself had built earlier...

You say that your identity is not depandent on your "nationality".But you don't tell us what you think your nationality is? What is it? And what is your identity? Elsewhere you said you were Turkish...Can you expand on that a little? What does it feel like to be Turkish? How exactly are you like the Turks from the mainland? Do you think like them? Do you have the same sense of humour? Do you feel as strongly religious as most of them do? Do you have the same mentality and world view? Same cultural beliefs and traditions?Do you share the same history with them? Do you belong to the same gene pool as the Turks from Turkey?
And if you feel Turkish as you say,how did you decide which Turks you feel like? Those in the big cities? Those in mid Anatolian towns? Those in rural Turkey?Those in Asia Minor? Those in the Blacksea region? Those in the North East? South? South East? The ones from Hatay???

@ Birkibrisli,
Thanks for making most of the points I was going to make. You can continue on sleeping now.!!

@ Shahmaran,

I tried to reach to you on a mature level, with my explanation on your "Cypriot Identity". Obviously it was a waste of time. So let me try it at another level, that may be easier for you to grasp it...fingers crossed.!

I'm not ashamed to say I'm a 100% Cypriot.
What does that really mean, you may ask.?
Well, I'll tell you.

Both parents and their parents and their parents are and were all Cypriots, born in Cyprus.

All my aunts and uncles and 1st cousins are and were all Cypriots, born in Cyprus.

If you are 100% Cypriot, then you're going to have Genes from variety of other nationalities, as well as Greek. So you see my friend, I'm not "diluted" by anyone, and not least by the Greeks, since it is part of the "ingredients" of being a "True Cypriot". If you find all this too shocking, then it is time for you to grow up.

Now lets see how "pure" Northern Cypriot you are.??

Are all your family from Cyprus, or were they "transplant" from Turkey 25-30 years ago.?
Were you born in Cyprus, or also came with your parents.?
If you don't have any Greek in you, then you cannot be a "True Cypriot".
Just because you live in the Northern Cyprus, and claim it to be a separate country, does not make you a "True Cypriot", when you don't want to be rest of Cyprus. Cyprus comes as one piece and not in pieces, otherwise, you would call yourself, "I'm part Cypriot, and the other parts, well, I have no idea really", is what you would say.
You yourself said, that you did not know what to call yourself. Does that mean, that you don't belong to Cyprus, if your parents came from outside Cyprus. You don't want to call yourself Turkish or Cypriot, just only to say, I'm from the "TRNC. Great, so what does that make you exactly.??

You see, I know who I am and I do not need to hide from it. You are hiding from your Identity, because perhaps, it is all over the map, if your parents came from Turkey. If they did, and they are "citizens" of the "TRNC", that does not make them Cypriots, and neither it makes you a "True Cypriot".

I'm 100% Cypriot, no "Dilutions" from anywhere. If anything, I'm overly "concentrated" in the "Gene Pool".

I hope you can clear all our concerns here, if you can.

[shahmaran]

i have stopped taking Kifeas seriously a long time ago, arguing with him is like arguing with a 100 year old dead oak tree, nothing new to offer!

but i do have to say this to Kikapu, trust me my friend i am NOT LOST! infact im probably one of the only ones whos nationaliy has not been successfully diluted by the Greeks as yourself, plus i do not believe that my identity is all that dependant on my "nationality", and more importantly i have learned that "playing it safe" usually equals to what i believe is called a "herd psyschology" which is definately not my thing, but if you "feel safe" doing it then be my guest, but definately dont expect me to simply FOLLOW!! thats probably the saddest thing i have heard since i have joined this forum, and its even more sad to see that it comes from a TC! : /

I will take you on your word that you are NOT LOST,Shahmaran,but you are certainly VERY CONFUSED. You accuse kikapu of having a "herd psychology" for sticking his neck out and claiming that he is 100% Cypriot.
Is that a sign of somebody who FOLLOWS as you say?And how does that make Kikapu "feel safe" exactly?

I'd say that those who want to "feel safe" are those who are content to live in an open prison,under military rule (however disguised it might be).
If I were you I would be ashamed that my President had to go cap in hand to the Chief of Staff of Turkey's military,simply to be allowed to pull down a silly bridge that he himself had built earlier...

You say that your identity is not depandent on your "nationality".But you don't tell us what you think your nationality is? What is it? And what is your identity? Elsewhere you said you were Turkish...Can you expand on that a little? What does it feel like to be Turkish? How exactly are you like the Turks from the mainland? Do you think like them? Do you have the same sense of humour? Do you feel as strongly religious as most of them do? Do you have the same mentality and world view? Same cultural beliefs and traditions?Do you share the same history with them? Do you belong to the same gene pool as the Turks from Turkey?
And if you feel Turkish as you say,how did you decide which Turks you feel like? Those in the big cities? Those in mid Anatolian towns? Those in rural Turkey?Those in Asia Minor? Those in the Blacksea region? Those in the North East? South? South East? The ones from Hatay???

If u look at the original post of THIS THREAD u will find an answer for all of your questions....however let me just say that thoose questions would differ for everyone no matter what their nationality is or they think it is, its simply irrelevant, thats what makes us humans so diverse.

I did not blame anyone for claiming they are %100 Cypriot. I was just explaining how pathethic i find his call for me to "just play it safe". Which, yes i admit, is in a way what im choosing to do (except the pathetic part ), but on much different grounds, and i believe the consequences would not result in the assimilation of whatever is left of us on this island as TURKISH CYPRIOTS!

I think if we all took a bit more time reading each others posts bit more carefully, we wouldnt have to waste ourtime re-explaining ourselves over and over again, so we can have a much more fluent debate

[shahmaran]

i have stopped taking Kifeas seriously a long time ago, arguing with him is like arguing with a 100 year old dead oak tree, nothing new to offer!

but i do have to say this to Kikapu, trust me my friend i am NOT LOST! infact im probably one of the only ones whos nationaliy has not been successfully diluted by the Greeks as yourself, plus i do not believe that my identity is all that dependant on my "nationality", and more importantly i have learned that "playing it safe" usually equals to what i believe is called a "herd psyschology" which is definately not my thing, but if you "feel safe" doing it then be my guest, but definately dont expect me to simply FOLLOW!! thats probably the saddest thing i have heard since i have joined this forum, and its even more sad to see that it comes from a TC! : /

I will take you on your word that you are NOT LOST,Shahmaran,but you are certainly VERY CONFUSED. You accuse kikapu of having a "herd psychology" for sticking his neck out and claiming that he is 100% Cypriot.
Is that a sign of somebody who FOLLOWS as you say?And how does that make Kikapu "feel safe" exactly?

I'd say that those who want to "feel safe" are those who are content to live in an open prison,under military rule (however disguised it might be).
If I were you I would be ashamed that my President had to go cap in hand to the Chief of Staff of Turkey's military,simply to be allowed to pull down a silly bridge that he himself had built earlier...

You say that your identity is not depandent on your "nationality".But you don't tell us what you think your nationality is? What is it? And what is your identity? Elsewhere you said you were Turkish...Can you expand on that a little? What does it feel like to be Turkish? How exactly are you like the Turks from the mainland? Do you think like them? Do you have the same sense of humour? Do you feel as strongly religious as most of them do? Do you have the same mentality and world view? Same cultural beliefs and traditions?Do you share the same history with them? Do you belong to the same gene pool as the Turks from Turkey?
And if you feel Turkish as you say,how did you decide which Turks you feel like? Those in the big cities? Those in mid Anatolian towns? Those in rural Turkey?Those in Asia Minor? Those in the Blacksea region? Those in the North East? South? South East? The ones from Hatay???

@ Birkibrisli,
Thanks for making most of the points I was going to make. You can continue on sleeping now.!!

@ Shahmaran,

I tried to reach to you on a mature level, with my explanation on your "Cypriot Identity". Obviously it was a waste of time. So let me try it at another level, that may be easier for you to grasp it...fingers crossed.!

I'm not ashamed to say I'm a 100% Cypriot.
What does that really mean, you may ask.?
Well, I'll tell you.

Both parents and their parents and their parents are and were all Cypriots, born in Cyprus.

All my aunts and uncles and 1st cousins are and were all Cypriots, born in Cyprus.

If you are 100% Cypriot, then you're going to have Genes from variety of other nationalities, as well as Greek. So you see my friend, I'm not "diluted" by anyone, and not least by the Greeks, since it is part of the "ingredients" of being a "True Cypriot". If you find all this too shocking, then it is time for you to grow up.

Now lets see how "pure" Northern Cypriot you are.??

Are all your family from Cyprus, or were they "transplant" from Turkey 25-30 years ago.?
Were you born in Cyprus, or also came with your parents.?
If you don't have any Greek in you, then you cannot be a "True Cypriot".
Just because you live in the Northern Cyprus, and claim it to be a separate country, does not make you a "True Cypriot", when you don't want to be rest of Cyprus. Cyprus comes as one piece and not in pieces, otherwise, you would call yourself, "I'm part Cypriot, and the other parts, well, I have no idea really", is what you would say.
You yourself said, that you did not know what to call yourself. Does that mean, that you don't belong to Cyprus, if your parents came from outside Cyprus. You don't want to call yourself Turkish or Cypriot, just only to say, I'm from the "TRNC. Great, so what does that make you exactly.??

You see, I know who I am and I do not need to hide from it. You are hiding from your Identity, because perhaps, it is all over the map, if your parents came from Turkey. If they did, and they are "citizens" of the "TRNC", that does not make them Cypriots, and neither it makes you a "True Cypriot".

I'm 100% Cypriot, no "Dilutions" from anywhere. If anything, I'm overly "concentrated" in the "Gene Pool".

I hope you can clear all our concerns here, if you can.

see this is exactly what i am talking about!!!

READ THE ABOVE POST!!!

and if it still doesnt make sense then get back to me so i can explain it to you in a much more articulative sense, maybe draw some diagrams for you, so maybe you can GRASP it, like you say, fingers crossed now

[Kikapu]

see this is exactly what i am talking about!!!

READ THE ABOVE POST!!!

and if it still doesnt make sense then get back to me so i can explain it to you in a much more articulative sense, maybe draw some diagrams for you, so maybe you can GRASP it, like you say, fingers crossed now

You better start making those drawings, because you are not making any sense in what you have written above.

All you had to do was answer a simple question...Who are you and where do you come from.??

Draw diagrams if you want, in your explanation.!!

[shahmaran]

God damn it!! i knew it wasnt just clear enough!!! heheh lets try one more time ok, bare with me!

KIKAPU READ THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD!!!!! THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT THOOSE QUESTIONS!!!

All you have to do is click on "1" where it says Goto Previous Page at the bottom right cornner of this page, and read the thread from the beggining, i have already explained exactly where i come from!

Is that clear enough, am i making any sense now? Anladdinmi gardaccciiim istrersen turkcede yaziim, ingiliccan pek eyi deilsa!! capish!?

[Kikapu]

God damn it!! i knew it wasnt just clear enough!!! heheh lets try one more time ok, bare with me!

KIKAPU READ THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD!!!!! THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT THOOSE QUESTIONS!!!

All you have to do is click on "1" where it says Goto Previous Page at the bottom right cornner of this page, and read the thread from the beggining, i have already explained exactly where i come from!

Is that clear enough, am i making any sense now? Anladdinmi gardaccciiim istrersen turkcede yaziim, ingiliccan pek eyi deilsa!! capish!?

Ahh, the first post, not the "above post".

Simdik anladim. ( I now understand)

[shahmaran]

plus why does my nationality matter so much? truth is always the truth, no matter whos advocating it! it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here...