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[zan]

is this another of your famous consiracy theories? working together?

zan the man offered to meet you and you turned him down

yeah vp is handling it very well

One conspiracy theory deserves another. Miltiades is proving himself to be a bad tempered old fool and it is not just the partitionist TCs that are thinking that.


What will a meeting prove...do conspirators have a certain look that I will recognise straight away?????



I do wish you guys would start acting like adults

"yeah vp is handling it very well". You wanna add a yah boo sucks at the end of that

[miltiades]

You are a full time member of the "trnc" propaganda team. You have no other employment , your posts are consistent with the policies laid down by your paymasters , strange how you are always on your computer finger ready to post a reply at any time of the day when most of us are busy earning a living VP is always there !!You have been napped pretence will simply be scorned. I think that ADMIN should take note of this.!
ps. How much do they pay you ? I think it is disgraceful that you should be spreading so much hatred for your fellow Cypriots , have you no conscious ? You have been found out !

Out of all your bigoted posts this has to be the most distasteful of the lot. You are doing more harm to the "Cypriot" than any other person on this board. I for one no longer believe that you are as old as you make out to be because this and other posts are not that of a mature poster. You and a few other posters are the ones that are working together and I am proud of the way VP is handling this. You are an absolute disgrace.

Zan , along with VP and the young warrior , you epitomise the true zealots , in fact , you have ridiculed and dismissed every gesture that I have made aimed at dispelling preconceived ideas and notions deeply entrenched in your minds. I have stretched my hand out on numerous occasions , have accepted the injustices occurring effecting a section of our people , have touched a sensitive nerve with you and VP and your only defense is to revert to scatological posts to discredit me.You especially when you accused me of " sending you to the gas chambers "
You have closed your minds to any prospect of reunification , have decided , as you recently posted , to become part of that modern new world that emanates from Turkey ! This new modern world that thousands upon thousands of Turks are escaping from in order to join the "OLD " world in the West.
I have asked to meet you in London for a drink , I do socialize in a local T/C owned Restaurant bar and you feel safe there but you steadfastly refused to extend your hand to me. I'm glad that , and I believe I'm correct in saying , that you and VP are in the minority.
You have expressed your views that I'm a disgrace , a disgrace to whom ? To Cyprus , or perhaps a disgrace to your blatantly hateful views on your fellow Cypriots.

[pitsilos]

zan wrote

What will a meeting prove...do conspirators have a certain look that I will recognise straight away?????

i don't know but i am sure you do so not enlighten me

[zan]

You are a full time member of the "trnc" propaganda team. You have no other employment , your posts are consistent with the policies laid down by your paymasters , strange how you are always on your computer finger ready to post a reply at any time of the day when most of us are busy earning a living VP is always there !!You have been napped pretence will simply be scorned. I think that ADMIN should take note of this.!
ps. How much do they pay you ? I think it is disgraceful that you should be spreading so much hatred for your fellow Cypriots , have you no conscious ? You have been found out !

Out of all your bigoted posts this has to be the most distasteful of the lot. You are doing more harm to the "Cypriot" than any other person on this board. I for one no longer believe that you are as old as you make out to be because this and other posts are not that of a mature poster. You and a few other posters are the ones that are working together and I am proud of the way VP is handling this. You are an absolute disgrace.

Zan , along with VP and the young warrior , you epitomise the true zealots , in fact , you have ridiculed and dismissed every gesture that I have made aimed at dispelling preconceived ideas and notions deeply entrenched in your minds. I have stretched my hand out on numerous occasions , have accepted the injustices occurring effecting a section of our people , have touched a sensitive nerve with you and VP and your only defense is to revert to scatological posts to discredit me.You especially when you accused me of " sending you to the gas chambers "
You have closed your minds to any prospect of reunification , have decided , as you recently posted , to become part of that modern new world that emanates from Turkey ! This new modern world that thousands upon thousands of Turks are escaping from in order to join the "OLD " world in the West.
I have asked to meet you in London for a drink , I do socialize in a local T/C owned Restaurant bar and you feel safe there but you steadfastly refused to extend your hand to me. I'm glad that , and I believe I'm correct in saying , that you and VP are in the minority.
You have expressed your views that I'm a disgrace , a disgrace to whom ? To Cyprus , or perhaps a disgrace to your blatantly hateful views on your fellow Cypriots.

Miltiades
Do you ever read your own posts? I have been reasonably civil to you even though every chance you get you rant on about whatever subject we are talking about. How many people have to tell you that before you get the message? Most of the time is does not matter about what you are ranting but when you decide to act like a dictator and scream at every one that disagrees with you and then go on to personal attacks on VP about him being a paid agent then its time to take account of your actions. I really find it offensive when you behave like that because of your age. You offer the wisdom of years and behave like a sixteen-year-old. I don't like bullies and have fought them all my life and am more than capable of looking after my self, which brings me to your comment on me being safe if I were to meat you. Do you really think that that is the reason why I said no? Do you really think that I am going to jump every time someone tells me they are Greek? Your mindset is incredible! I do not see my self as a poor little victim but a sensible and capable person that sees no benefit in meeting you. Your mentality has been shown on this forum as to how much you want to talk and how much you want to dictate. You say you offered me your hand several times, how dare you use that as a premise to you being right and me being wrong. Your hand is the hand of false peace and more a hand of "do as your told". You are a dictator of the worst kind and time and time again you have shown your true face when some one does not agree with you. Our meeting will end up just the same as it did with Kifeas and Bananiot, a failure because you do not really see that meeting as two people going out for a drink but one person trying to convince the other that he is right. I have the foresight to see that but your uncontrollable urge to change every one to your way of thinking does not allow you any foresight at all.

If you don’t want to be attacked on a personal level then I suggest you stop doing it your self.

[Viewpoint]

to be honest, even tho i have not been here that long, i have never seen VP use any foul language before and he always seems to be able to keep his cool while still holding up a very reasonable perspective, on the other hand i have followed how miltiades pushes and provacates people into it and only to suddenly retreat to his "intellectual" state and to start blaming people for being rude and childish, its very sneaky and very very cheap. infact its shocking to see a man that is supposedly THAT old to be restoring to such childish means of debating. he is probably the most hypocritical man on this forum so far. its hardly amusing.

Thank you shah for seeing whats going on I do not normally use foul language or insult anyone but when provoked I can give as good as I get. The fact that miltiades although warned on numerious occasions not to hurl personal insults continued to do shows that it was time to give him some of his own medicine which he could not take.

[Kikapu]

In all fairness Viewpoint does not deserve some of the abuse directed at him. Like every TC he is looking for a settlement, may it be reunification may it be partition.

I can also assure you all that he is the voice of the vast majority of TC's. He, like me is frustrated with the developments since 2004 (or lack of it) and is saying exactly what we TC's are all saying. IF REUNIFICATION IS NOT FORTHCOMING THEN LETS GO FOR PARTITION. There is not much wrong in that.

Kikapu and BK are not a true representation of us TC's, Viewpoint is, it is he you all need to convince that better days are ahead and those days are possible with a united Cyprus.

Mrfromng,

That has been my whole point about my frustration, in reading what VP posts. I wished he would give more balanced views on a settlement, rather than always beating the "Partition Drums" at every opportunity. I don't care what view everyone has here, but I get tired of the propaganda, just like I pick on Piratis, when he does it. To piratis's credit, he has cut back on the propaganda, so perhaps he has recognised, that he was not winning anyone over, other than those, who already agreed with him.

Lets look and see who the majority of the TC's are, that agree with VP. I guess you use the TC,s term loosely, because I'm sure that those share his views also include the settlers. Regardless, the majority I'm sure does support his view, so let take a look, who they are, and why that is.

1. 40,000 Turkish Troops. These guys are stationed in Cyprus, in a relatively safe environment, with beautiful weather with hardly any risk of having to fight anyone. If they were in Turkey, they would have to be stationed in the Eastern Turkey, fighting in freezing weather against the Kurds, and possibly dying. They may even end up having to fight for the oil fields in Kirkuk, once the US leave Iraq. So, a Partition is a better option, than a settlement.

2. Turkish settlers. Well, they were given land and houses to live in, free. Now they have the option to sell these properties, if they wish to. So, why would they support a settlement, if it means losing all the "freebies" and end up going back to Turkey with nothing, and having to start all over again. So, Partition is a better option, than a settlement.

3. All the business owners of the Casinos and prostitution market, and any other illicit trade, that may go on. They would have to close up and go somewhere else. So, a Partition is a better option, than a settlement.

4. Finally the TC's. Those who took advantage of any Greek Cypriot owned land, by buying as much as possible, at basement prices ( not exchanged for TC land in the RoC ) or those who bought and sold such land to others, will never want to have a settlement. Those who profited at the expense of others will want to keep the status quo. So, a Partition is a better option, than a settlement.

So excuse me mrfromng if I don't go along with those people I mentioned above for wanting a Partition, because their interest definitely is not the same as mine. Just because they want to protect their interest, it does not mean my views, or those same as mine, are wasting time. At some point, one's integrity and humanity has to be rise above one's financial gain, over the pain of others. If these people want to discard all those who had to abandon their property in Northern Cyprus by the GC's, so that the above can profit, than I draw the line and say, I don't want any part of it.

I want to protect my TC community with a recognised State in the Northern Cyprus, playing a part in a Cypriot government, which ever system of government that we agree on, that is the best one for us. Restore peoples dignity to return to their homes or land, if they wish to. My guess is, large majority will not do that, be it be TC or GC, but at least everyone can once again know, that 100% Cyprus belongs to them, and not part of it. I see a better future for my Turkish Community in a free society, than what they have now, because if we maintain on our present course, there never will be peace in Cyprus, for the long term. There are few examples that will tell us that, when ever there is land disputes, between people.

a) Israel and Palestinians. Neither side really have much to celebrate in their conflict over 60 years.

b) India and Pakistan over Kashmir. There has been 3 wars between those two nations, over the last 60 years.

c) Northern Ireland only recently quietened down, but not exactly over yet. That's been going on for 35-40 years.

d) Oh, let's not forget Cyprus, as if we really can.

So yes, I may be in the minority for not wanting a Partition, but I believe, I'm in the RIGHT for want a settlement.

[Kikapu]

[shahmaran]

Kikapu, me and a lot of my fellow TCs do not fall into any of your categories but still prefere partition, what have you got to say about that?

I think your argument is very one sided as it only concentrates on the people who have used the conflict for their benefit and would only choose partition in order to protect their assets. And i am hoping they dont form the majority of TCs.

[miltiades]

Kikapu , you are absolutely 100% correct .

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, me and a lot of my fellow TCs do not fall into any of your categories but still prefere partition, what have you got to say about that?

I think your argument is very one sided as it only concentrates on the people who have used the conflict for their benefit and would only choose partition in order to protect their assets. And i am hoping they dont form the majority of TCs.

TC's are a minority in the "TRNC", so even if all the people who you have mentioned, never took anything, that does not belong to them and they still want a partition, they are the minority, in the whole "mix". When mrfromng makes a statement, that the majority want Partition, the people I mentioned are the majority.!!

So please tell me Shahmaran. Which people do you think, that does NOT want a partition. There must be one or two that live in the "TRNC". Do you know who these people are by any chance.??