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[Kikapu]

. Its exactly the same brotherly love they showed in Dec 1963...... or the brotherly love keeping the isolation going to make us want a solution.

VP, even murderers get out of jail, at some point, for their crimes. I'm sure someone convicted for a crime, in 1963, would be on the streets right now, and he will be a productive member of society. Are we not suppose to help this person, pay back to society, by committing a crime, so long ago. Are we not suppose to forgive at some point, even though, we will never forget .

Always put the shoe on the other foot. If the GC's decided to take part of Cyprus and break away, with our land on it, would you be considerate and give them, all the wanted. If we did that, why would they want to come back. They will have their cake and eat it too. I'm I right, or am I missing something here.?

[MR-from-NG]

In all fairness Viewpoint does not deserve some of the abuse directed at him. Like every TC he is looking for a settlement, may it be reunification may it be partition.

I can also assure you all that he is the voice of the vast majority of TC's. He, like me is frustrated with the developments since 2004 (or lack of it) and is saying exactly what we TC's are all saying. IF REUNIFICATION IS NOT FORTHCOMING THEN LETS GO FOR PARTITION. There is not much wrong in that.

Kikapu and BK are not a true representation of us TC's, Viewpoint is, it is he you all need to convince that better days are ahead and those days are possible with a united Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

. Its exactly the same brotherly love they showed in Dec 1963...... or the brotherly love keeping the isolation going to make us want a solution.

VP, even murderers get out of jail, at some point, for their crimes. I'm sure someone convicted for a crime, in 1963, would be on the streets right now, and he will be a productive member of society. Are we not suppose to help this person, pay back to society, by committing a crime, so long ago. Are we not suppose to forgive at some point, even though, we will never forget .

Always put the shoe on the other foot. If the GC's decided to take part of Cyprus and break away, with our land on it, would you be considerate and give them, all the wanted. If we did that, why would they want to come back. They will have their cake and eat it too. I'm I right, or am I missing something here.?

Its the mentality of the act that I still see displayed by many GCs on the forum that is the problem, the same mentality which mantains the isolation on the north and th same mentality that brushes our concerns and fears away as bein imaginery and unfounded.

In all honesty if it were the other way around I would take the compensation but like I say some of us if they so desired should be allowed to return to live under the GC rule for the sake of reaching a final solution but the GCs are against this as well as their ulitimate goal is not a solution but total control of the whole island, sharing is not a word they find easy to consume as they have what they want a GC state, we are just an inconvenience to them getting hteir hands on the other 37%, thats all they really want, all this brotherly love fabrication is persuade you to swallow the minority pill, they had a chance to show their brotherly love back in 1960 and we all know where that took us.

[miltiades]

Well spoken miltiades, you are a true Cypriot (or so you say), tell me sir, what are you doing living in the camp of the 'enemy' then?, you should be over here, standing on your soap-box, ranting and raving about beards and body piercings instead of standing on street corners peddling 'hot dogs' to the tourists.

Eliko , welcome back I can honestly say I have missed your witty posts.
I like selling hot dogs , burgers and chips I'm doing an honest days work after all , but fail to see the meaning of "enemy " camp.
Should you fancy a burger or a hot dog this is my website , we do home deliveries too ! www.devonscatering.co.uk
xxx

[Simon]

mrfromng, what is the point of trying to convince VP? He has clearly made up his mind a long time ago. Complete waste of time. If the majority of TCs are like him, then God help us; I cannot ever see unification. Therefore, if partition is what the majority of TCs now want, I'd say fine, but on an 80/20 basis; anything more than 20% share of the island for TCs would be greatly disproportionate to the GC people.

[Viewpoint]

In all fairness Viewpoint does not deserve some of the abuse directed at him. Like every TC he is looking for a settlement, may it be reunification may it be partition.

I can also assure you all that he is the voice of the vast majority of TC's. He, like me is frustrated with the developments since 2004 (or lack of it) and is saying exactly what we TC's are all saying. IF REUNIFICATION IS NOT FORTHCOMING THEN LETS GO FOR PARTITION. There is not much wrong in that.

Kikapu and BK are not a true representation of us TC's, Viewpoint is, it is he you all need to convince that better days are ahead and those days are possible with a united Cyprus.

Thanks mrfromng for understanding me.

[Viewpoint]

mrfromng, what is the point of trying to convince VP? He has clearly made up his mind a long time ago. Complete waste of time. If the majority of TCs are like him, then God help us; I cannot ever see unification. Therefore, if partition is what the majority of TCs now want, I'd say fine, but on an 80/20 basis; anything more than 20% share of the island for TCs would be greatly disproportionate to the GC people.

What about a % for returning GCs?

[growuptcs]

mrfromng:

Kikapu and BK are not a true representation of us TC's, Viewpoint is, it is he you all need to convince that better days are ahead and those days are possible with a united Cyprus.

Mrfromng, who is HE that WE have to convince? God, the Pope, Allah? Again, your looking for a 1 sided unification on only his FEELINGS and his UNCERTAINTIES and not the overall Cypriots. Getting special priveleges to one side, is not a solution my friend, its more like dynamite till it explodes. Lets go back to baby steps if we have to, just dont ask for something that every country's laws find illogical or this won't fly. Because insisting on a reward from regular GC civilians that they insist they're not giving up their rights, forms a catch22. You just like the game because the catch 22 comes with no immediate repercussions.

[Kikapu]

all this brotherly love fabrication is persuade you to swallow the minority pill, they had a chance to show their brotherly love back in 1960 and we all know where that took us.

First of all, I'm not easily persuaded by anyone. If a "TC's brother" can't do it, to pull me to his side, to go with the partition, surely the "GC enemy" that imprisoned me and my family for a week in 1963, most definitely won't be able to do it.

VP, I'm not saying to surrender to the GC's demands. I'm saying to reach an long lasting solution, by negotiations. Is Talat pushing any initiatives with PapaD, or do we wait until PapaD or the UN makes offers. Is there as much energy put into a peaceful settlement as there is for Partition, by the TC's. I don't know, so I will rely on me to tell me this.

[Viewpoint]

all this brotherly love fabrication is persuade you to swallow the minority pill, they had a chance to show their brotherly love back in 1960 and we all know where that took us.

First of all, I'm not easily persuaded by anyone. If a "TC's brother" can't do it, to pull me to his side, to go with the partition, surely the "GC enemy" that imprisoned me and my family for a week in 1963, most definitely won't be able to do it.

VP, I'm not saying to surrender to the GC's demands. I'm saying to reach an long lasting solution, by negotiations. Is Talat pushing any initiatives with PapaD, or do we wait until PapaD or the UN makes offers. Is there as much energy put into a peaceful settlement as there is for Partition, by the TC's. I don't know, so I will rely on me to tell me this.

If you to were to live the Cyprus issue on a daily basis you to would be like the majority of TCs on this island "davullun sesi uzaktan tatli gelir" the sound of the drum from a distance sounds sweet.

Negotiations, you are now taking the piss, 44 years on and look where we are today, further away than ever to finding solution. Talat is under more restrictions than Tassos and is it him that should be illustrating "brotherly love" but how can he is an ex eoka Turk hater who using the EU to get what he wants. Talat takes the intiative and bring down the bridge what do we get in return a barrage of excuses, its not a one way street.

Negotiaitons to unite have reached a brick wall as it has proven to be to complicated as both sides want different things, lets creat a level playing field so we are 2 equal sides and then sit down and negotiate, why are GCs so scared to allow us what they fit for themselves, I suggest we make moves to bring equality to both sides no army, reduction of settlers/immigrants both sides, recognized airports both sides etc?