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Nationality vs. Ethnicity

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Postby shahmaran » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:17 pm

Simon wrote:I'm glad you finally agree then Zan: nationalist fighting and not a national ethnic cleansing effort by GCs generally. As I have said before, many GCs dies and suffered also.

Shah, you really are stupid aren't you? Several hundred GCs died by your Grandmother's broom then? :roll:

No i dont need to attack that statement, i dont have to post vulgar answers to people who speak to me like a normal human being, nor i whish to. (if you were refering to my previous posts here)


You were actually vulgar to me first; and seem unable to have a reasoned debate with anyone who does not agree with you. Further, you are wrong about there not being "anyone that thinks there was a collective agreement amongst all GCs to cleanse the Turks from Cyprus." This is the whole reason I stepped into this debate in the first place. Some of the posts on here seem to clearly imply this; even if that person knows that it isn't true; to try to legitimise their ethnic-cleansing and partition.

The outcome was horrendous for both sides.


you know nothing Simon, you came in straight with the insults coz we may have stepped on a nerve, so you started it and yet you still proceed with the insults! But you talk about having a reasonable debate, get over yourself man! :lol:

the invasion was neccessary and it was Turkeys right! TCs were more than happy to see it happen, unless ofcourse WE are ALL under a collective aggreement to partition the island by playing the defenceless victim! that sounds about right up your street doesnt it! :lol:
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Postby pitsilos » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:24 pm

i am bit rusty, but did the rights extended to ethically cleansing and partition?

i thought the right only extended to restoring the constitution and getting out.

can someone with better knowledge confirm this?
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:29 pm

you lost your rights the moment you decided to invade Turkish villages, didnt you know? maybe you were a sleep :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:06 pm

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This post really sums you up, how out of touch you really are, we have TRNC passports and can travel all over the world with them, there maybe an inconvenience of getting visas but this would be the same for many other countries, like the 45 minutes we have to wait on a plane when flying to the TRNC these are very small prices to pay for having your own country recognized or not. That very fine line between recognition and nonrecognition will one day be crossed and people like Kikapu and Bir will disappear into history as the people who wanted the TCs to accept a GC state where they would be a minority ruled by GCs while they themselves lived and died abroad.


Viewpoint,

This topic seems to be flying off the shelf. If I don't respond right away, then there goes another 10 pages of "new" stuff.

That's a new one on me, that "TRNC" can issue passports for the world consumption, when the world does not recognise "TRNC" one little bit. So please educate me, which countries actually issued you visas to travel to. I'm going to assume, you applied for these visas from the embassies of the countries to be visited, in the "TRNC" or was it in the RoC.? How does the world not recognise the "TRNC" to commerce with, but will accept it's unrecognised State's passports.? Need to look this up, and I hope you are right, because I'm getting to print some "TRNC" money, so that I can exchange it with other countries currency. I would have thought, same principle would apply there also.!!


VP, each day you post something, it becomes more and more clear, that you are an uncaring, insensitive, rude, robotic, cold, manipulator, aggressive, with half truths to lies. You respond to serious issues with a smirk on your face, because you have the luxury to hide behind your keyboard and the Turkish Army. I hate insignificant people who can talk big while being protected. Same way I hated when Bush makes a stand against the Insurgents in Iraq, when he showed how tough he was, by saying to them " Bring it On". You'll never get you hands dirty, fighting to create your Partition, because even if you did managed it, which I will very much doubt, you and your family will forever have to live behind the Turkish Army. There may come a day, when they may not be there anymore to protect you, ever thought about that.? Don't get me wrong, I love going to Turkey once in a while, and have a lot of family members there, but I'm also happy when I leave .

If I die today, I will know, that I died as a True Cypriot, from North to South and East to West of Cyprus. Even if I died in the "TRNC" I will still consider it as Cyprus, because it is. If I died living in a Partitioned part of Cyprus, then it would not make a difference if I died there or North America, because as far as I'm concern, they both will be foreign land to me, only, one will be much further than the other.

No one has asked you to live under GC rule, if we had the Federation System. Why do you want to distort the truth, when you know damn well, you are creating a fear and nothing else. Assimilating with the Greeks is another of your lies. If you want to protect your Cypriot heritage, then stay away from Turkey, but then again, you claim, that's where we all came from. Well, you know where the Ercan Airport is, you won't even need a passport, even one from the "TRNC".!

BTW, before I go any further, do you get paid by the number of Posts you make, or number of misinformation you print, for whom ever is paying you. Also, are there more than one person behind your Avatar signature "Viewpoint", because the style of your writing tends to change from time to time, and for a person who claims to have a wife, children, and a job, you seem to spend a lot of time on the Forum. Just how do you do that. Man you need to get a life a little, but then again, you're not the only one who does all the writing.!!

So let me continue a little bit longer. What do you think it's going to happen, if there was a partition at some point. Do you think the world is going to recognise you anymore than today.? Don't you think, within a short time, you will be swallowed (assimilated) by the mainland Turks, then you will not have any voice left at all.? The new "promised land" will probably called the "New Anatolia", except, all illicit things that cannot happen in a religious Turkey, will all be happening in the "New Anatolia". It will be, anything goes, type of "New Anatolia". Do you see that as a good place to raise your kids, where drug use and prostitution and gambling , with contract killings be all around you. A little bit like the scene from "Back to the Future", when Biff, turns the whole town into the above scenario.

Before you start your usual response with half truths and lies, let me tell you where I stand for future of Cyprus. The days of the old Republic is long gone. I would like to see one central government under a Federation System, where Northern Part of Cyprus is mainly a Turkish Cypriot State, with it's own laws for it's people, and the same for the GC's in Southern Cyprus. The Federal Rules, will over ride "State" rule, to protect, civil liberties, property ownership, freedom of expression, minority rights, and so on. It will be called the "United States of Cyprus".

Now you can have your say...........
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Postby Simon » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:46 pm

Shah, I know nothing, :lol: keep believing your grandmother and other defenceless TCs killed GCs with their brooms. :lol:

Turkey's invasion and occupation is illegal. The whole world says so. Intervention was ONLY allowed to uphold the constitution; didn't you know, or was you asleep. :lol: However, there is no point continuing this, because you are simply a one-eyed, egotistic dope. Just for the record, you started the slanging match by stating: "go and do some research and come back." :roll:
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Postby pitsilos » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:49 pm

shahmaran wrote:you lost your rights the moment you decided to invade Turkish villages, didnt you know? maybe you were a sleep :lol:


no man i was too busy running in primary school dug outs.

the reason we had guarantor rights far as i recal was in case of PROBLEMS, to step in and restore the constitution and nothing about anything else.

this why we had guarantor rights.
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:59 pm

Simon you are an absolute leading prime and fine example of a vintage twat, re-read your posts and then dont come back!

and for pitsilos, it did solve the problem right? what you are saying is that, you are allowed to act illegally as long as you dont get caught, but the moment the retaliation is a lot bigger then you can handle, you immediately run for the law books?! get some dignity man, its liturally sickening!
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Postby Simon » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:05 pm

Shah you are probably the biggest idiot I've ever spoke to! :lol: I just did moron and you insulted me first by implying I knew nothing when you stated "do some research." I suggest you re-read your posts and seriously do not come back. You are incapable of adding anything constructive to any debate. :roll:

Your stupidity is summed up by suggesting that ethnically cleansing 200,000 people from their homes in an illegal invasion is solving the problem. Get it through your thick head: NOTHING IS SOLVED! That is why this is currently called the Cyprus PROBLEM and NOT the Cyprus solution - der!
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:11 pm

Simon wrote:shahmaran said:

Armenians died during a big war, GCs got ethnicaly clensed during a war, TCs got massacared in a massive campaign!

There is the difference Simon! go do some more reasearch and come back!


Oh my god what a complete idiot! I can't believe I'm even replying to the mentally disturbed. TCs got massacred in a massive campaign? That's why only hundreds died on each side? Armenians died in a big war? My God you need to revisit history and seek an impartial historian.



i believe THAT was the first time you ever quoted and used my name along with a series of insults!

now nancy boy, im not sure about you but that does seem like an exquisite TWAT speaking out of his arse in order to gain a few inches on his inadequete willy, so i suppose that just about seals the deal right?

.....probably not but hey it was still worth it :lol: :lol:
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Postby Simon » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:18 pm

Are you male? If you are, then you must be gay? As that is the only reason why I can think you would bring the size of a willy into this. Willy on the brain is it? Or maybe just very immature.. mmmm.....

All you have done in your above post in confirm what I have said. I can't say I'm surprised, because your obviously not that bright. See that box above your post, where you are quoted as saying "do some research." That is the first time you posted to me and it was the first insult; implying that I knew nothing. I then responded by calling you an idiot. But I'm afraid the first insult was still yours. Understand? Or would you like me to make the spaces bigger between the words so you can read it slower :lol:
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