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[shahmaran]

TCs went into enclaves so they could fight more efficiently; and in readiness for a Turkish invasion; not simply because they were forced.

sorry i couldnt resist, i remember that story, when they went to "fight efficiently", my grandma with an MG5 waiting to ambush the unsuspecting Greeks, how can i forget, she even has pictures holding up a few Greek heads.....

Ive got a picture of mine with a Turkish Broom, god she was lethal with that thing.

yeah those turkish brooms can inflict some serious damage if used properly

[DT.]

Shahmaran said:

oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

Simon, Turks have been grabbing peoples land for almost a 1000 years, hence its why they were an empire (thats how you become one), i think many great nations has had a similar period inlcuding the Greeks, so in your sutpid little world we must have committed hundreds of genocides if that was the case, which is not!

However i believe the Armenians got killed during the independence war of Turkey against all the nations that decided to take a piece of it just after the 1st world war when the ottoman empire started to collapse, and the stupid armenians, I BELEIVE, were used by the French just like the Greeks were used by the English against the Turks, THATS why they got killed, it was a fucking WAR!

so i suggest you take those books you reccomended and do something usefull with yourself, alright sunshine?

beg to differ shah, you need to decide what your terminology is here. Your claim is not that the genocide was done in war but in inter-communal strife. This was done during the Young Turks govt in 1914. You can't go around changing the official terminology used by your govt to explain those atrocities.

Despite all this why don't you answer the question. The crimes of the fanatics from our side are plain to see, and not a GC amongst us denies the killings and criminal actions of those who should in my opinion have been locked up for life and offered up for organ donors. The actual results of this ethnic cleansing however is different. Just as many GC's died (killed by TC's or by napalm in 63) and as Simon keeps asking you...how does a planned systematic cleansing process for 1/5 of the population go so bad that in 10years you haven't dented the numbers of the side you are apprently cleansing? WIth or without the UN watching.

I'll tell you why, have a look at genocide and ethnic cleansing down history. WIth the Nazi's against the Jews and the Russians against the Jews in the pogroms again they had one thing in common. The populations were in their majority behind this ethnic cleansing process (which is why the succeeded.) I stand by the fact that a Cypriot population GC or TC would not have the stomach to turn on the other en masse like that. We had mainland junta Greeks arriving by the bucketfull on the island coordinating everything and you had mainland turks throwing us out of our homes.

Take away the mainland, leave the island. But you'll probably attack this statement as well now.

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran said:

oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

Simon, Turks have been grabbing peoples land for almost a 1000 years, hence its why they were an empire (thats how you become one), i think many great nations has had a similar period inlcuding the Greeks, so in your sutpid little world we must have committed hundreds of genocides if that was the case, which is not!

However i believe the Armenians got killed during the independence war of Turkey against all the nations that decided to take a piece of it just after the 1st world war when the ottoman empire started to collapse, and the stupid armenians, I BELEIVE, were used by the French just like the Greeks were used by the English against the Turks, THATS why they got killed, it was a fucking WAR!

so i suggest you take those books you reccomended and do something usefull with yourself, alright sunshine?

beg to differ shah, you need to decide what your terminology is here. Your claim is not that the genocide was done in war but in inter-communal strife. This was done during the Young Turks govt in 1914. You can't go around changing the official terminology used by your govt to explain those atrocities.

Despite all this why don't you answer the question. The crimes of the fanatics from our side are plain to see, and not a GC amongst us denies the killings and criminal actions of those who should in my opinion have been locked up for life and offered up for organ donors. The actual results of this ethnic cleansing however is different. Just as many GC's died (killed by TC's or by napalm in 63) and as Simon keeps asking you...how does a planned systematic cleansing process for 1/5 of the population go so bad that in 10years you haven't dented the numbers of the side you are apprently cleansing? WIth or without the UN watching.

I'll tell you why, have a look at genocide and ethnic cleansing down history. WIth the Nazi's against the Jews and the Russians against the Jews in the pogroms again they had one thing in common. The populations were in their majority behind this ethnic cleansing process (which is why the succeeded.) I stand by the fact that a Cypriot population GC or TC would not have the stomach to turn on the other en masse like that. We had mainland junta Greeks arriving by the bucketfull on the island coordinating everything and you had mainland turks throwing us out of our homes.

Take away the mainland, leave the island. But you'll probably attack this statement as well now.

No i dont need to attack that statement, i dont have to post vulgar answers to people who speak to me like a normal human being, nor i whish to. (if you were refering to my previous posts here)

But the post that you have quoted is about Turkey not Cyprus, and about the so called Armenian "genocide" which had taken place during the post-WW1 and the Independence War period.

[DT.]

Shahmaran said:

oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

Simon, Turks have been grabbing peoples land for almost a 1000 years, hence its why they were an empire (thats how you become one), i think many great nations has had a similar period inlcuding the Greeks, so in your sutpid little world we must have committed hundreds of genocides if that was the case, which is not!

However i believe the Armenians got killed during the independence war of Turkey against all the nations that decided to take a piece of it just after the 1st world war when the ottoman empire started to collapse, and the stupid armenians, I BELEIVE, were used by the French just like the Greeks were used by the English against the Turks, THATS why they got killed, it was a fucking WAR!

so i suggest you take those books you reccomended and do something usefull with yourself, alright sunshine?

beg to differ shah, you need to decide what your terminology is here. Your claim is not that the genocide was done in war but in inter-communal strife. This was done during the Young Turks govt in 1914. You can't go around changing the official terminology used by your govt to explain those atrocities.

Despite all this why don't you answer the question. The crimes of the fanatics from our side are plain to see, and not a GC amongst us denies the killings and criminal actions of those who should in my opinion have been locked up for life and offered up for organ donors. The actual results of this ethnic cleansing however is different. Just as many GC's died (killed by TC's or by napalm in 63) and as Simon keeps asking you...how does a planned systematic cleansing process for 1/5 of the population go so bad that in 10years you haven't dented the numbers of the side you are apprently cleansing? WIth or without the UN watching.

I'll tell you why, have a look at genocide and ethnic cleansing down history. WIth the Nazi's against the Jews and the Russians against the Jews in the pogroms again they had one thing in common. The populations were in their majority behind this ethnic cleansing process (which is why the succeeded.) I stand by the fact that a Cypriot population GC or TC would not have the stomach to turn on the other en masse like that. We had mainland junta Greeks arriving by the bucketfull on the island coordinating everything and you had mainland turks throwing us out of our homes.

Take away the mainland, leave the island. But you'll probably attack this statement as well now.

No i dont need to attack that statement, i dont have to post vulgar answers to people who speak to me like a normal human being, nor i whish to. (if you were refering to my previous posts here)

But the post that you have quoted is about Turkey not Cyprus, and about the so called Armenian "genocide" which had taken place during the post-WW1 and the Independence War period.

Thanks Shah, but do you see my point that there wasn't a population backed plan of attack there?

[shahmaran]

Yes i do, and i dont think anyone here actually thinks that there was a collective aggreement amongst all the GCs to clense the island from Turks, it was certainly a hand full of people, just like amongst the TCs, and the Nazzis and so forth, but i dont see how that is relevant since the outcome was still horrendeous...or have i just lost you compleatly?

[DT.]

Yes i do, and i dont think anyone here actually thinks that there was a collective aggreement amongst all the GCs to clense the island from Turks, it was certainly a hand full of people, just like amongst the TCs, and the Nazzis and so forth, but i dont see how that is relevant since the outcome was still horrendeous...or have i just lost you compleatly?

No you haven't. Was it horrendous because of the number of deaths or that they were concentrated into 3% of the island?

[shahmaran]

Yes i do, and i dont think anyone here actually thinks that there was a collective aggreement amongst all the GCs to clense the island from Turks, it was certainly a hand full of people, just like amongst the TCs, and the Nazzis and so forth, but i dont see how that is relevant since the outcome was still horrendeous...or have i just lost you compleatly?

No you haven't. Was it horrendous because of the number of deaths or that they were concentrated into 3% of the island?

im not sure i follow, i was talking about the outcome of the conflict in general, wether its Greek or Turkish, i was refering to the fact that even tho it was a hand full of people carrying out the attrocities, they still managed to do a great deal of harm to each other...

[DT.]

think we just exhausted the subject.

[shahmaran]

aggreed...good night

[Simon]

I'm glad you finally agree then Zan: nationalist fighting and not a national ethnic cleansing effort by GCs generally. As I have said before, many GCs dies and suffered also.

Shah, you really are stupid aren't you? Several hundred GCs died by your Grandmother's broom then?

[quote]No i dont need to attack that statement, i dont have to post vulgar answers to people who speak to me like a normal human being, nor i whish to. (if you were refering to my previous posts here) [/quote]

You were actually vulgar to me first; and seem unable to have a reasoned debate with anyone who does not agree with you. Further, you are wrong about there not being "anyone that thinks there was a collective agreement amongst all GCs to cleanse the Turks from Cyprus." This is the whole reason I stepped into this debate in the first place. Some of the posts on here seem to clearly imply this; even if that person knows that it isn't true; to try to legitimise their ethnic-cleansing and partition.

The outcome was horrendous for both sides.