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[shahmaran]

HA HA Wrote:
"""You have no real basis in none of your claims what so ever, you sound like a complete advocate of the moronic exterme GC propaganda, there is no debating with you, you are worse then Pyr and Miltiades, at least they know their wrong doings, i dont know where the fuck you just appear from and deny this stuff!

I suggest you spend some time with Pyr and Miltiades so they can teach you "the ways" of this debate.... """

I try hard not to exercise rigorous honesty but when faced with the most inarticulate moron with as much intelligence as a 10 year old I have to abandon the restrains of civil behaviour and tell this vulgar foul-mouthed ,brain dead punk to get lost .
I'm certain that you will soon find employment , road sweeper would most definitely suit you down to the GROUND!!

miltiades its funny how you always blame me for having a foul mouth, WITH A FOUL MOUTH! dont you see a problem with that? not even a bit?

also i am a freelance worker u obsolete old fart, if you are going to attack me without spitting out your fake jaw then i suggest you get hold of some real information to do it with

[zan]

Thats rich coming from the man who claims that almost the whole Armenian race got wiped out by "one big war" whilst a few hundred TCs were killed by a "massive campaign" of ethnic cleansing by GCs. Laughable. You are so blinded by bias it is pathetic. I really feel sorry for you.

You are one of the biggest one-sided morons I've ever interacted with.

Zan, where does it say that GCs tried over a period of 10 years to ethnically cleanse TCs? This is mostly anecdotal evidence and author's opinion during inter-communal conflict. There was of course many occasions where TCs attacked GCs during this period also. This violence was carried out by a limited number of nationalists and not the population generally, as you would like people to believe. As stated previously, ethnic cleansing is usually evidenced by mass killings, i.e. over a million Armenians killed. So again I ask, if GCs attempted for over 10 years to exterminate TCs, why did only hundreds die, a SIMILAR AMOUNT ON BOTH SIDES?

What do you think of the Akritas plan????


And putting a minimum number on ethnic cleansing????? So the world can look for a group of people and wipe them out and it is not ethnic cleansing because it is less than a million??????




What would you call forcing the TCs into 3% of the island????
Maybe we could use modern terminology from our computer age like.....maybe.......Ethnic Zipping.


I have never tried to distort history in what happened to the GCs and it does get my goat when others try to do it to us. I have had many of these conversations with intelligent and fair GCs and I thought that these issues were settled but again and again they keep coming up and again and again I have to repeat myself. I really would like to move on now and get this partition thing under way because for this present time it is the most sensible thing to do.

[BirKibrisli]

As I was coming down the stair

I met a man who wasn't there

He wasn't there again today

O How I wish he'd go away ...

[Simon]

Shahmaran said:

[quote]oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon[/quote]

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

VP, GCs were not successful in getting rid of TCs completely because fighting was only done by a limited number of nationalists, and was not a nationwide effort as Zan and others try to portray. That period is called inter-communal conflict and not attempted ethnic cleansing for a reason you know. Btw, many GCs have also emigrated.

Zan, I know your more intelligent than this. Please do the maths, if four fifths of the population were trying to rid themsleves of one-fifth, and were actively doing this for over ten years, you seriously telling me that there would not be a massive detrimental effect on their population? It is not about putting minimum numbers on anything, it is about logic. You mention the Akritas Plan, I have not denied that there were nationalists with agendas to subdue TCs and create a GC dominated state; just as there was nationalist TCs who from the outset wanted a Turkish invasion. However, to magnify this and say that all GCs generally were trying to eradicate TCs is pushing the boundaries of fact too far. TCs went into enclaves so they could fight more efficiently; and in readiness for a Turkish invasion; not simply because they were forced.

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran said:

oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

Simon, Turks have been grabbing peoples land for almost a 1000 years, hence its why they were an empire (thats how you become one), i think many great nations has had a similar period inlcuding the Greeks, so in your sutpid little world we must have committed hundreds of genocides if that was the case, which is not!

However i believe the Armenians got killed during the independence war of Turkey against all the nations that decided to take a piece of it just after the 1st world war when the ottoman empire started to collapse, and the stupid armenians, I BELEIVE, were used by the French just like the Greeks were used by the English against the Turks, THATS why they got killed, it was a fucking WAR!

so i suggest you take those books you reccomended and do something usefull with yourself, alright sunshine?

[zan]

Shahmaran said:

oh yeah sorry we did go around wiping out a million armenians coz we just don like them thats clever simon

Surely you can't be that stupid? It had more to do with land grabbing, something the Turks have been doing ever since they migrated to Anatolia. Pick up a history book please.

VP, GCs were not successful in getting rid of TCs completely because fighting was only done by a limited number of nationalists, and was not a nationwide effort as Zan and others try to portray. That period is called inter-communal conflict and not attempted ethnic cleansing for a reason you know. Btw, many GCs have also emigrated.

Zan, I know your more intelligent than this. Please do the maths, if four fifths of the population were trying to rid themsleves of one-fifth, and were actively doing this for over ten years, you seriously telling me that there would not be a massive detrimental effect on their population? It is not about putting minimum numbers on anything, it is about logic. You mention the Akritas Plan, I have not denied that there were nationalists with agendas to subdue TCs and create a GC dominated state; just as there was nationalist TCs who from the outset wanted a Turkish invasion. However, to magnify this and say that all GCs generally were trying to eradicate TCs is pushing the boundaries of fact too far. TCs went into enclaves so they could fight more efficiently; and in readiness for a Turkish invasion; not simply because they were forced.

The whole idea was to get rid of the TC problem. Even the Nationalists were not stupid enough to try and wipe out the whole lot. My family is not put into that 800 but we too are victims like many other thousands. Turkey was a threat the UN were witnesses America the UK all had plans and the GCs were not able to go all the way. The intent was there and I hope I did not have to keep repeating that I don't mean every single GC. The ethnic cleansing was some dead some scared away and the rest bullied in enclaves. My brother in-laws sister nearly died in one of these enclaves that Nicos Sampson stuck her family in. She was starved and diseased with fleas and other things. It was Dr. Kucuk himself that saved her after telling her family she would certainly die. We all know what happened to the men in that village. I am sorry but the Greeks that did all this were much too smart to bring Turkey into this too early and I bet you that they thought they could keep Turkey out one way or another.

Glafcos Clerides, now the President of the Greek Cypriots, said at the time "we the Greek Cypriots are in full control of the Government. All the Ministers are Greeks. Our government is the only one recognised internationally - why should we bring the Turks back in? The Turks today control only 3% of the land. They have no rich resources and they are living through difficult times from an economic point of view. They will ultimately have to accept our point of view - or go."



The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

[shahmaran]

TCs went into enclaves so they could fight more efficiently; and in readiness for a Turkish invasion; not simply because they were forced.

sorry i couldnt resist, i remember that story, when they went to "fight efficiently", my grandma with an MG5 waiting to ambush the unsuspecting Greeks, how can i forget, she even has pictures holding up a few Greek heads.....

[miltiades]

""""" i am a freelance worker u obsolete old fart "" So the Punk , the up to the minute fart says .
A freelance worker ? more like a piss artist I would say .HA HA !! or is it he he .
Good night son , as Eliko would say , wonder where she / he is , recovering from inflammatory absorbent nutriments I would say , serves her/him right , should have paid attention.

[zan]

TCs went into enclaves so they could fight more efficiently; and in readiness for a Turkish invasion; not simply because they were forced.

sorry i couldnt resist, i remember that story, when they went to "fight efficiently", my grandma with an MG5 waiting to ambush the unsuspecting Greeks, how can i forget, she even has pictures holding up a few Greek heads.....

Ive got a picture of mine with a Turkish Broom, god she was lethal with that thing.

[shahmaran]

""""" i am a freelance worker u obsolete old fart "" So the Punk , the up to the minute fart says .
A freelance worker ? more like a piss artist I would say .HA HA !! or is it he he .
Good night son , as Eliko would say , wonder where she / he is , recovering from inflammatory absorbent nutriments I would say , serves her/him right , should have paid attention.

you got the artist part right

Good night dear miltiades, dont let the bed bugs bite