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[Pyrpolizer]

The little idiot is messing everywhere DT. I don't think we can discuss anything anymore. Sorry.

[BirKibrisli]

Arguments/fights/discussions like these,where people stop arguing the point and attack and label the person,always take a heavy emotional toll on me.
Some might like it hard to believe but I truly hate crossing swords with my fellow TCs all the time. I have a long lost cousin who lives in London.We were like brothers when we were growing up in Cyprus.We were first cousins on both sides,you know,children of a brother and sister who married another sister and brother,in the great Cypriot tradition...
I have not heard from him since 1981,and for all I know Mrfromng could be him!I have hundreds of cousins I don't even know (my mother had 9 siblings,my father 5,all with plenty of children,and children's children,and in some cases children's children's children)some of whom still live in Cyprus. Viewpoint and Shahmaran could easily be two of those cousins. Most of my cousins from my father's side live in London,and Zan could be one of them for all I know...
The point is why would I want to put the future of my own family in danger by insisting on reunification?
I have gone blue in the face arguing this point:The times have changed and most GCs have moved on from the dream of Enosis. They now know it was a folly which cost them and Cyprus dearly.There are no more EOKA fighters running around killing those who disagreed with their aims.There are no more TMT fighters doing the same on the other side.
RoC is a prosperous European country run democratically(more or less).
As far as I know there are no religious leaders doubling up as politicians.
So the line that the GCs are wolves in sheep's clothes waiting to pounce on us is,to say the least,not very credible. On the other hand,given the certainty that the TRNC will never be recognised by the UN as a legitimate state,and the certain loss of TC national identity if the status quo remains for another couple of decades,I am finding it extremely difficult to understand the position of those advocating partition.The only reason can be the persistence of a pathological fear and anxiety caused by the traumas of the 50s and 60s...In other words persistance of a collective Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which has turned those TCs still living in the TRNC into paranoid psychological weaklings unable to imagine standing on their own two feet on a level playing field...A sad and tragic situation. One that I could not bear to watch from either side of the divide for longer than one week at a time...Hence I am condemned to live and die in exile,but hey,there must be worse things in life than that prospect,though I am finding it difficult to think of one at the moment...

[MR-from-NG]

I have not heard from him since 1981,and for all I know Mrfromng could be him!

BirK, I'll be at the Shangri-La in Sydney between 21st and 28th of February. Come and have a beer with me, you never know I may well be your long lost cousin.

[Viewpoint]

i see we are all reaching new levels of maturity here.

VP, when you bring new settlers into Cyprus it will always concern me. You're housing them in our homes, so you're damn right its my business.

There are no more homes and no more land is being distributed. Whether we get on with these settlers or not is not your business. Whether they will swoolow us whole and turn us into Turks is also not your business.

[shahmaran]

BirKibrisli i have never argued the point that i want to stay divided in fear of being attacked by GCs, ofcourse the times have changed and its not really possible (except minor attacks on vehicles etc), what i have always believed is that, if we do unify then us as the minority, are going to loose our identity and get assimiliated and blended into a big Greek EU society, you had to pretty much change your nationality once which is bad enough, but dont force us to go back to it with you, because we are from TRNC, and when i say US i mean the people like me who havent lived long enough to know anything more than the TRNC. And im pretty sure there ar emany who are old enough and still claim to be from TRNC. We could do so much better if we can just be given a chance which we have not at all for MANY years, and that is still not an excuse to "hug the snake in the sea" as they say in turkish!

[BirKibrisli]

I have not heard from him since 1981,and for all I know Mrfromng could be him!

BirK, I'll be at the Shangri-La in Sydney between 21st and 28th of February. Come and have a beer with me, you never know I may well be your long lost cousin.

I will be delighted to meet you Mrfromng,if you promise not to shoot me on sight... How do I know you are not a former TMT hitman?

[Pyrpolizer]

what i have always believed is that, if we do unify then us as the minority, are going to loose our identity and get assimiliated and blended into a big Greek EU society

Your beleif will be proven right or wrong ONLY in practice. In other words only if and when re-unification occurs. There are still TC people living in mixed villages like Pyla, there has been absolutely no loss of their identity for 6 centuries already. In a Federal system the chances for such a loss of identity are zero.

On the other hand what is your alternative? To wait until the day every Japanese kid speaks about Ortakuyu NC?

[MR-from-NG]

I will be delighted to meet you Mrfromng,if you promise not to shoot me on sight... How do I know you are not a former TMT hitman?

No BirK, I'm not a hit-man, though at times I wish I was . Neither am I an ex TMT member.

So glad you will make the time to meet up. Maybe we can have a beer at the Shangri-La and then go to Doyle's for some seafood, my wife still talks about the food at Doyle's and cant wait to revisit Australia.

I will PM you with my contact details closer to the date.

[DT.]

i see we are all reaching new levels of maturity here.

VP, when you bring new settlers into Cyprus it will always concern me. You're housing them in our homes, so you're damn right its my business.

There are no more homes and no more land is being distributed. Whether we get on with these settlers or not is not your business. Whether they will swoolow us whole and turn us into Turks is also not your business.

I'm sorry VP but I find your argument wholly insulting. My home town is Morphou, it will always be that. My kids say they are from Morphou even though they never saw it, and I'll make damn sure their kids will as well. What happens in my country is my business. Just because a gun stops me from going home doesn't mean I've relinquished my right to it.

[Pyrpolizer]

DT may I remind you VP is one of those who takes deep breaths of Oxygen by the flag at Ortakoyu NC every evening. In other words a PARTITIONIST.