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Kikapu

I speak of Cyprus for all Cypriots. VP was OK, until I mentioned that I will be visiting the RoC on my up coming visit in April. He started shitting bricks for God sake.

When? I only expressed my opinion as to your choice and sense of loyality, which is clearly with your GC brothers.

I wished VP did not bring down his Avatar, because a while back, he asked the forum members as to what it meant to have bunch of guys standing together. I believe Pyropolizer said, "oh, that's bunch of guy looking for a job", which was amusing at the time. But no, VP told us, "it was the TC's standing together and speaking with one voice", or some stupid remark like that.

My avatar is still in place and does signify unity amongst Tcs my friends who know who they are prime examples and representatives of the majority of TCs who think like us. But clearly from your post above the degrading comment of us queuing up for work in front of GCs employers was more amusing than my explanation of TC unity and loyalty which you know nothing about and found to be stupid.

Perhaps I should remind you, that your Nationality is Cypriot, unless you happen to hold another one, that has issued you a passport. "TRNC" tells you, that you're her National, but have they given you a "TRNC" passport, and I'm not talking about a "Micky Mouse" ID card. You have said in the past that you have done some travelling. If you don't hold a passport from the RoC, how can you travel anywhere, except for Turkey. Even if you held a Passport issued by Turkey, there is a good chance, getting a visa to travel abroad would be very difficult. So, what other Nationality Passports do you hold, to be able to travel, because it is not from nation of "TRNC", that considers you ( and me ) as it's National.

This post really sums you up, how out of touch you really are, we have TRNC passports and can travel all over the world with them, there maybe an inconvenience of getting visas but this would be the same for many other countries, like the 45 minutes we have to wait on a plane when flying to the TRNC these are very small prices to pay for having your own country recognized or not. That very fine line between recognition and nonrecognition will one day be crossed and people like Kikapu and Bir will disappear into history as the people who wanted the TCs to accept a GC state where they would be a minority ruled by GCs while they themselves lived and died abroad.

[miltiades]

VP wrote:
"""I only expressed my opinion as to your choice and sense of loyality, which is clearly with your GC brothers"""

Put me down as well foreigner , because my loyalty is also with mt T/C brothers as well as all other Cypriots. You and the likes of you are not , as you have told us many times , Cypriots .You more than any body else ought to seriously consider a return to your motherland, because Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots not to foreigners .Kikapu and the likes of him can see reality , can see the denigration of the Turkish Cypriot ethnicity and the upsurge of Turkish mainland ethnicity. Many prices to pay you say for having your own country, is Cyprus not your country ? Only the Turkish administered North with 40 thousand foreign troops on its soil?

[zan]

I tried to remain silent for a while, but you guys just don't want to drop it.

So, I and Birkibrisli want to have a united Cyprus where we can all live as Cypriots. Where is the crime in that.? How does that discredit any TC or mainland Turks.? Just because group of people on this forum would like things to remain as it is, for what ever reasons. The fact that you all have PARTITION so fixed on the brain, I can only presume, that you have a lot to gain from it, and a lot to lose, if a United Cyprus was to emerge. I do not have anything to gain from "Cyprus" becoming One Cyprus, rather than this "Micky Mouse" arrangement that we have now. Why is it, that only those who want PARTITION, should only have their voices heard.? What are you afraid of, if I speak of Cyprus for all Cypriots. VP was OK, until I mentioned that I will be visiting the RoC on my up coming visit in April. He started shitting bricks for God sake. Have you all become such RASICTS towards your other fellow citizens in Cyprus, that any contact must be forbidden.

I have already gave my reasons for a United Cyprus, how it would benefit all Cypriots, specially the TC's , what's left of them , in the "Micky Mouse State". But from what I got from all the PARTITIONIST is, they don't want things to get better for the average TC's, because the PARTITIONIST have already got theirs, and the rest are there to serve them as "TC Niggers". Don't tell me about this BS about Brotherly Turks against the evil Greeks, because I have seen what Turks do to each other, when it comes to money. So the question that needs to be asked is, is not what Birkibrisli and I have to gain by being "ass kissers" to the GC's, as mrfromng put it, but rather, what do the PARTITIONIST stand to lose, in a United Cyprus.

I wished VP did not bring down his Avatar, because a while back, he asked the forum members as to what it meant to have bunch of guys standing together. I believe Pyropolizer said, "oh, that's bunch of guy looking for a job", which was amusing at the time. But no, VP told us, "it was the TC's standing together and speaking with one voice", or some stupid remark like that. Well, VP was partially correct. What it was was, mass of PARTITIONIST debating the issues of the PARTITION. So people like Zan, Shahmaran, Viewpoint, Mrfromng, and few others, that will come along soon, I'm certain of that, were having a Mass Debate about PARTITION. So, I have crerated an exclusive club for all the PARTITIONIST on this forum. From now on, I will refer to you all as the "MassDebaters".

That is correct, it is one word. You are now all, MASSDEBATERS.

See, again with the Cypriot thing…….If you are not for unification then you are not a Cypriot….says who? I claim my Cypriotness and there is no law or threat that is going to take it away from me and it is with that Cypriotness that I also claim my piece of land to live in. I gained that right through the actions of the first president of Cyprus and the subsequent actions that kept my people in enclaves for 11 years and in 3% of the island. It was then that a final push from ENOSISTS tried to take my country away from me forever and the present situation ensued. It is you that is referring to me as a non-Cypriot and not recognising your own country and not the other way around. It is you who wished to pick sides and distance the very people that experience this on the ground. No one had a go at you and Bir until you both started this thing about us not being Cypriot unless we agree with unification. It was confrontational and it got the appropriate response. Now all your sweet talk is turning very bitter and just as I have seen time and time again the ones that talk the sweetest carry the biggest sticks. We were held hostage for eleven years before the intervention and now you want to tell me that we are living in an open prison. You have the choice of where to live the people in the TRNC do not. It seems, on your assumption that they are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Well if you think that the TRNC is the devil then drowning in the deep blue sea does not seem a very good alternative, better the devil you know. Instead of encouraging these people and offering help you choose to vilify and taunt them into submission.


I for one stand to lose a lot of land in the present situation so for you to say I stand to gain something from a partition are so far off the mark that you can’t even see the mark. What I stand to gain is the right to call myself a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC-KKTC. That is worth more than all the land in Cyprus. So when you start again about my Cypriotness and call my country a banana state then don’t be surprised by the response.

[Kikapu]

I go away for a couple of days,and come back to find out it has been open season on Kikapu...

Don't worry about being called a "traitor"' Kikapu. Carry it like a badge of courage and honour. You will be in good company.

Birkibrisli,

The MASSDEBATERS can take their best shots, but I do not fear them. They couldn't even hit the side of the Barn, let alone me. All they good for , is shooting off their mouths. I'm waiting to see, which of the MASSDEBATERS is going to have the courage, even hiding behind the Turkish Army, to call me a traitor.

I see VP's MASSDEBATERS avatar is back, so you can see them all debating about the PARTITION in a Mass. So what's on their agenda today, I wonder. Well lets see.

Could it be more Doom & Gloom about being killed by the Greeks while they are sleeping....or

We want to have our own "Micky Mouse" State, away from our home Country of Cyprus.....or

We are Nationals of the "Micky Mouse" State, therefore we do not need to be Cypriots anymore...or

Lets keep what we have, because if we have a Unified Cyprus, even in a Federation Government, we may end up losing what we have now, because it was all gotten illegally to begin with......or

If we had a legitimate Government ruling us, we would no longer be able to run our Casinos, Prostitution, protect Wanted Criminals, protect the Mafia......and on and on.

VP, the highest ranking member of the exclusive MASSDEBATERS club, tells me and Birkibrisli, that, to be able to make a good Judgement on how wonderful life is in the "TRNC", one needs to stay there for couple of years, because a week or so will not be enough. SAY WHAT? For a little place like the "TRNC", it requires couple of years to see how wonderful life is there, or is it, that's how long it would take to adjust to the rules and conditions of an "Micky Mouse" State. I'm pretty sure, I will be able to make good assessment of the whole situation, in less than a week. I'll let you know, after I come back from Cyprus, as to which side is more desirable to live or not.

As a True Cypriot, if I were to choose to live in Cyprus, then I will consider which parts of the 100% Cyprus, is well suited for me, without any concerns or considerations, as to who are my neighbours. It could even be next to one of the MASSDEBATERS, but that will be my choice to make, not theirs.

[Viewpoint]

VP wrote:
"""I only expressed my opinion as to your choice and sense of loyality, which is clearly with your GC brothers"""

Put me down as well foreigner , because my loyalty is also with mt T/C brothers as well as all other Cypriots. You and the likes of you are not , as you have told us many times , Cypriots .You more than any body else ought to seriously consider a return to your motherland, because Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots not to foreigners .Kikapu and the likes of him can see reality , can see the denigration of the Turkish Cypriot ethnicity and the upsurge of Turkish mainland ethnicity. Many prices to pay you say for having your own country, is Cyprus not your country ? Only the Turkish administered North with 40 thousand foreign troops on its soil?

But what you have to yet to wake up to is that the majority of your so called TC brothers don't want you. The only way they would even contemplate living with you is via a plan such as the one you resoundingly rejected. If TCs were so keen to unite with their GC "brothers" they are all free to travel south of the border and live in the "RoC", how many have taken up this offer? Id say near to none. That must tell you a great deal but you are so blind its like someone spitting in your face you'd say its raining.

[zan]

Kikapu

May I remind you that the term Mass debaters is one of my jokes and it was used a long while back. I think I might of got a giggle from someone back then but it is not original. No need to get upset about it though, I will not sue.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapuoplous

I see VP's MASSDEBATERS avatar is back

It was never removed, thats how blind you are to realities.

so you can see them all debating about the PARTITION in a Mass. So what's on their agenda today, I wonder. Well lets see.

Could it be more Doom & Gloom about being killed by the Greeks while they are sleeping....or

We want to have our own "Micky Mouse" State, away from our home Country of Cyprus.....or

We are Nationals of the "Micky Mouse" State, therefore we do not need to be Cypriots anymore...or

Lets keep what we have, because if we have a Unified Cyprus, even in a Federation Government, we may end up losing what we have now, because it was all gotten illegally to begin with......or

If we had a legitimate Government ruling us, we would no longer be able to run our Casinos, Prostitution, protect Wanted Criminals, protect the Mafia......and on and on.

Its obvious you have read and not understood what we want...tell me what you think it is we want?

VP, the highest ranking member of the exclusive MASSDEBATERS club, tells me and Birkibrisli, that, to be able to make a good Judgement on how wonderful life is in the "TRNC", one needs to stay there for couple of years, because a week or so will not be enough. SAY WHAT? For a little place like the "TRNC", it requires couple of years to see how wonderful life is there, or is it, that's how long it would take to adjust to the rules and conditions of an "Micky Mouse" State. I'm pretty sure, I will be able to make good assessment of the whole situation, in less than a week. I'll let you know, after I come back from Cyprus, as to which side is more desirable to live or not.

It would help to actually come here and live the difference in the 2 sides and see the daily lives of Tcs and Gcs judge for yourself what it is the TC are missing? then you can make a healthy decision, a week is not long enough as you will not have the opportunity to talk to locals or forged any real links as people will on the exterior be very polite and accommodating but not reveal their true feelings until they get to know you, this is human nature. You will visit as a tourist and leave as a tourist like so many others without really understanding that the TCs on whole are content and only want unification if they can see their lives are going to be better than today.

As a True Cypriot, if I were to choose to live in Cyprus, then I will consider which parts of the 100% Cyprus, is well suited for me, without any concerns or considerations, as to who are my neighbours. It could even be next to one of the MASSDEBATERS, but that will be my choice to make, not theirs.

You are right you have the choice to settle where ever you wish but never forget we to have the right to move....

[DT.]

VP wrote:
"""I only expressed my opinion as to your choice and sense of loyality, which is clearly with your GC brothers"""

Put me down as well foreigner , because my loyalty is also with mt T/C brothers as well as all other Cypriots. You and the likes of you are not , as you have told us many times , Cypriots .You more than any body else ought to seriously consider a return to your motherland, because Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots not to foreigners .Kikapu and the likes of him can see reality , can see the denigration of the Turkish Cypriot ethnicity and the upsurge of Turkish mainland ethnicity. Many prices to pay you say for having your own country, is Cyprus not your country ? Only the Turkish administered North with 40 thousand foreign troops on its soil?

But what you have to yet to wake up to is that the majority of your so called TC brothers don't want you. The only way they would even contemplate living with you is via a plan such as the one you resoundingly rejected. If TCs were so keen to unite with their GC "brothers" they are all free to travel south of the border and live in the "RoC", how many have taken up this offer? Id say near to none. That must tell you a great deal but you are so blind its like someone spitting in your face you'd say its raining.

VP why do you always think you speka on behalf of the majority of TC's when you speak of partition? Was there a vote?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

May I remind you that the term Mass debaters is one of my jokes and it was used a long while back. I think I might of got a giggle from someone back then but it is not original. No need to get upset about it though, I will not sue.

I did not know that, since it is only recently that I have been reading your posts, even though you have been here for a while, and for the most part, I do enjoy reading, in what you write.

Well, it goes to show, THAT some things never goes out of fashion, as MASSDEBATERS.

[miltiades]

VP ,Wrote:

""you are so blind ""

VP you keep on doing it , calling the kettle black, who is the blind , the individual who claims that all Cypriots are his brothers and that the people of Cyprus will one day unite , or YOU who still follows that ridiculous laughable stance that the Only Cyprus that exists is the Turkish protectorate Northern Cyprus, so first you invade , [ I say you because I consider you , as you have stated many times , a Turks NOT a Cypriot , ] you grab a large chunk of Cyprus then you proclaim to the world that only the TRNC exists ,is the one that has on its soil 40 thousand troops .

You are not only the blind one but also the sad and dejected individual who lives in a fools paradise.
You are following old policies of partition and stop kidding your self that the majority of T/Cs are like you. Because they are not , and yes thousands of T/Cs work in the ROC ! Not many left any way , most have left.