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[MR-from-NG]

vp you are just a tool and a useless one too

what about all the TCs that live in the south? is their reality the same as yours?

VP is a good representation for the majority of TC's in the TRNC. TC's in the south can participate on the forum and tell us what life is like there.

The same for Kikapu and Birkibrisli, they can tell us about our brothers in Australia and in America, they do not have a clue about the TC's in the TRNC and their problems. All they both do is suck -up to the GC's. They are living in fantasy land. Brownnosing the GC's is what they are both really good at and nothing more.

[Viewpoint]

vp you are just a tool and a useless one too

what about all the TCs that live in the south? is their reality the same as yours?

Which TCs? how many do actually live there? excluding the Gypsies who origins are questionable.

[BirKibrisli]

vp you are just a tool and a useless one too

what about all the TCs that live in the south? is their reality the same as yours?

VP is a good representation for the majority of TC's in the TRNC. TC's in the south can participate on the forum and tell us what life is like there.

The same for Kikapu and Birkibrisli, they can tell us about our brothers in Australia and in America, they do not have a clue about the TC's in the TRNC and their problems. All they both do is suck -up to the GC's. They are living in fantasy land. Brownnosing the GC's is what they are both really good at and nothing more.

I agree with you that VP is a good representation of TCs in the TRNC.
That exactly is the tragedy. The TCs in the TRNC are resigned to losing their national identity to gain some imaginary safety and security. They are the product of the paranoid isolationist Turkish mentality who believe that "A Turks friend can only be another Turk","We are GC feed without Turkey","If the Turkish Army leave the GCs will slaughter us like chickens" etc. It is very sad to watch what is happening in the TRNC and to the people who call it "home".

As to Kikapu and I "brownnosing",what possible motivation could we have to do what you suggest,Mrfromng? People (some people that is) suck up or brownnose if they want something,if they stand to gain something.

I'll tell you what you are doing...You have realised how ridiculous it would be to label us "traitors",so you have come up with new labels.
Why don't you try arguing our points,discussing the issues we bring up.
You can start by telling us which country you consider is your "motherland". And whether you think there is any difference between Turkish Cypriots and the people of Turkey...

[MR-from-NG]

Why don't you try arguing our points,discussing the issues we bring up.
You can start by telling us which country you consider is your "motherland". And whether you think there is any difference between Turkish Cypriots and the people of Turkey...

Birkibrisli, with due respect you are in no position to argue at any level about Cyprus or the TRNC. You haven't been there for over 40 years. I have been away from Cyprus for 44 years but have been back hundreds of times. If I don't go every 6-10 weeks I feel I'm about to die because I'm not inhaling that beautiful Cypriot oxygen. That's how passionately I love my country.

Please tell me why you would feel qualified to talk on behalf of real TC's. It obviously doesn't mean much to you. If it did I would guess you would have visited it at least once in 40 bloody years.

[BirKibrisli]

Why don't you try arguing our points,discussing the issues we bring up.
You can start by telling us which country you consider is your "motherland". And whether you think there is any difference between Turkish Cypriots and the people of Turkey...

Birkibrisli, with due respect you are in no position to argue at any level about Cyprus or the TRNC. You haven't been there for over 40 years. I have been away from Cyprus for 44 years but have been back hundreds of times. If I don't go every 6-10 weeks I feel I'm about to die because I'm not inhaling that beautiful Cypriot oxygen. That's how passionately I love my country.

Please tell me why you would feel qualified to talk on behalf of real TC's. It obviously doesn't mean much to you. If it did I would guess you would have visited it at least once in 40 bloody years.

I have no doubt you love your country passionately,Mrfromng,at least as much as I love my country. But the question is which country do you love passionately? If it is Cyprus,then your loyalty to the TRNC is highly misplaced. The TRNC is not your country. It is a military base for Turkey full of poor,misfortunate economic slaves from Turkey,and assorted criminals like drug barrons,brother operators,gambling tycoons,and black money laundrerers...

And you are wrong about me not visiting the TRNC in 40 years. I've made many trips,the last being in 1999. I was so depressed by what I saw on that visit that I could never bring myself to go back...

[Viewpoint]

Why don't you try arguing our points,discussing the issues we bring up.
You can start by telling us which country you consider is your "motherland". And whether you think there is any difference between Turkish Cypriots and the people of Turkey...

Birkibrisli, with due respect you are in no position to argue at any level about Cyprus or the TRNC. You haven't been there for over 40 years. I have been away from Cyprus for 44 years but have been back hundreds of times. If I don't go every 6-10 weeks I feel I'm about to die because I'm not inhaling that beautiful Cypriot oxygen. That's how passionately I love my country.

Please tell me why you would feel qualified to talk on behalf of real TC's. It obviously doesn't mean much to you. If it did I would guess you would have visited it at least once in 40 bloody years.

I have no doubt you love your country passionately,Mrfromng,at least as much as I love my country. But the question is which country do you love passionately? If it is Cyprus,then your loyalty to the TRNC is highly misplaced. The TRNC is not your country. It is a military base for Turkey full of poor,misfortunate economic slaves from Turkey,and assorted criminals like drug barrons,brother operators,gambling tycoons,and black money laundrerers...

And you are wrong about me not visiting the TRNC in 40 years. I've made many trips,the last being in 1999. I was so depressed by what I saw on that visit that I could never bring myself to go back...

Dont its not necessary, and you have the nerve to tell us that we are wrong in what we think and say. People like you will die and be buried abroad where you belong or even better move south with your GC "brothers" and live happily ever after with the other "Cypriots".

[Kifeas]

I go away for a couple of days,and come back to find out it has been open season on Kikapu...

Some of us have lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,and were exiled before 1974,and lived for over or nearly 40 years abroad often intimately with Turks from Turkey,and came to the conclusion that we were Cypriots above all and very different to our Turkish cousins.

Others who were born in the North after 1974,lived under military rule with handouts from Turkey,and forced to share their open prison with the misfortunate,economic migrants from Turkey,came to the conclusion that they were exactly like their poor unfortunate Turkish cousins.

Which of us would you say were "diluted" or "deluded" or "delusional"???

Don't worry about being called a "traitor"' Kikapu. Carry it like a badge of courage and honour. You will be in good company.

What you desperately need is an injection of reality in your viewpoint, come live on the island for a few years and then you will realize how far off the mark you are. Your mind has become diluted over the years and can only see what it wants to see. You really need to listen to the young generation TC and GC they do not agree with you one bit.

I am personally aware of tens of TC people that currently live in the north, who have the similar views like Birk and Kikabu. Yet, the only "argument" I hear against what the two of them say, is the fact that they do not live in Cyprus. In the absence of any other credible arguments against their views, the only thing left to discredit them is to present them as clueless individuals, just because they do not live in Cyprus. How pathetic!

[zan]

I have no doubt you love your country passionately,Mrfromng,at least as much as I love my country. But the question is which country do you love passionately? If it is Cyprus,then your loyalty to the TRNC is highly misplaced. The TRNC is not your country. It is a military base for Turkey full of poor,misfortunate economic slaves from Turkey,and assorted criminals like drug barrons,brother operators,gambling tycoons,and black money laundrerers...

So instead of taking control and making it a better place we hand it over to people that don't really like us. (The RoC and hostile GCs and not the whole lot).

What Bir is telling you guys that live in the TRNC is that you are not man enough to look after yourselves and your families and you should be grateful to the RoC for wanting to look after your best interests and they will even give you pocket money tom help you. I have had a go at many TCs for running down the residence of the TRNC and saying that we the Diaspora know better than they do and am having a go again at you Bir. Have some respect for these proud and intelligent people that are more than capable of looking after their own interests if they are given the chance. It is the RoCs intransigence that is forcing them to keep the Turkish army on the island and to want the Turkish army on the island. Instead of running them down all the time and telling them they are not worthy perhaps a little support will go a long way. You guys always remember that not all of us abroad are against you and some of us are trying to help you in every way we can. I think you are heroes to have survived the way you have given all the hardships and lack of faith the Diaspora have shown you. You should be proud and keep strong because you are making progress and the pressure we are applying is making headway too. Keep it up guys.

[MR-from-NG]

I have no doubt you love your country passionately,Mrfromng,at least as much as I love my country. But the question is which country do you love passionately? If it is Cyprus,then your loyalty to the TRNC is highly misplaced. The TRNC is not your country. It is a military base for Turkey full of poor,misfortunate economic slaves from Turkey,and assorted criminals like drug barrons,brother operators,gambling tycoons,and black money laundrerers...

And you are wrong about me not visiting the TRNC in 40 years. I've made many trips,the last being in 1999. I was so depressed by what I saw on that visit that I could never bring myself to go back...

My loyalty will always be to the TRNC. I have to agree with you that it has its imperfections but hey show me a place that is perfect.

I resent your comments about the military and your overall opinion of Turks. In case you are not aware but us TC's sleep better knowing Mehmet is guarding us.

You have the audacity to criticise me for not being loyal to the RoC. Are you for real? The GC's and its administration wiped out half my family and friends, we would have all been slaughtered had it not been for Turkey's loyalty for us.

I'm not an enemy of Greeks or GC's, in an ideal world we would all be living side by side in peace and harmony and I pray this could one day be a reality. But by the same token I have not forgotten my roots nor have I ever deviated from reality.

If you have nothing good to say about us then please say nothing at all about us.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

If you have nothing good to say about us then please say nothing at all about us.

...and why not?

Isnt he allowed his say? Is this another example of the undemocratic society of Turks?