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[Kikapu]

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oh please vp!

what now ? will you label him a traitor ?
or just because you implied that in all politically correct possible way....

Ohh, it's coming, sooner or later, and when it does, that's when the shit is going to hit the fan, I promise.

[Viewpoint]

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oh please vp!

what now ? will you label him a traitor ?
or just because you implied that in all politically correct possible way....

Ohh, it's coming, sooner or later, and when it does, that's when the shit is going to hit the fan, I promise.

Why do you feel so uncomfortable? hit a raw nerve or do you have a conscience after all? Although I would never call you a traitor as I feel people have choices and they make them according to their beliefs right or wrong, please us all about the shit and why it will hit the fan?

[zan]

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oh please vp!

what now ? will you label him a traitor ?
or just because you implied that in all politically correct possible way....

Ohh, it's coming, sooner or later, and when it does, that's when the shit is going to hit the fan, I promise.

Again totally uncalled for. I think you guys need to cut VP some slack. He has tried time and time again to make his point and you lot just lambaste him to the point where he can only answer you in one way. He has valid points and you are not taking him seriously. Please do not take what he Or I say to the likes of Pyro as to how we would talk to you because he is just an antagonist that has no shame into what levels he will fall to to make his point. At least VP has not resorted to coming up with fairy tales to scare you all. He believes what he says and some of you are not making him feel that he can change his mind. I don't believe that he will change his mind and I am on his side but at least give him the chance to talk to you as you are giving me.

[Kikapu]

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oh please vp!

what now ? will you label him a traitor ?
or just because you implied that in all politically correct possible way....

Ohh, it's coming, sooner or later, and when it does, that's when the shit is going to hit the fan, I promise.

Why do you feel so uncomfortable? hit a raw nerve or do you have a conscience after all? Although I would never call you a traitor as I feel people have choices and they make them according to their beliefs right or wrong, please us all about the shit and why it will hit the fan?

VP, I don't feel uncomfortable at all. What I learned from you in the past few weeks is, that you're are on a one track mind set...PARTITION, and anything else, will not do for you. You may still get your wish, but I'm sorry friend, but I do not want to be on the same train with you, heading down that track, a TC brother or not. I have supported many of TC's concerns and arguments, against the GC's on this Forum, with hopes and wishes for a better future for all Cypriots and Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

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oh please vp!

what now ? will you label him a traitor ?
or just because you implied that in all politically correct possible way....

Ohh, it's coming, sooner or later, and when it does, that's when the shit is going to hit the fan, I promise.

Why do you feel so uncomfortable? hit a raw nerve or do you have a conscience after all? Although I would never call you a traitor as I feel people have choices and they make them according to their beliefs right or wrong, please us all about the shit and why it will hit the fan?

VP, I don't feel uncomfortable at all. What I learned from you in the past few weeks is, that you're are on a one track mind set...PARTITION, and anything else, will not do for you. You may still get your wish, but I'm sorry friend, but I do not want to be on the same train with you, heading down that track, a TC brother or not. I have supported many of TC's concerns and arguments, against the GC's on this Forum, with hopes and wishes for a better future for all Cypriots and Cyprus.

When have you argued for anything TCs want or are concerned about? if you feel you are heading for a train crash would you get on that train? thats how we feel, having only just survived one crash we do not want to make the same mistake and take that same train.

[Kikapu]

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When have you argued for anything TCs want or are concerned about? .

Now, you're really taking the "PISS".

But don't worry, a person like my self, who happens to have a great sense of humour, is now having a good laugh.

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When have you argued for anything TCs want or are concerned about? .

Now, you're really taking the "PISS".

But don't worry, a person like my self, who happens to have a great sense of humour, is now having a good laugh.

Without going over all your posts with a fine tooth comb I will give you the benefit of the doubt but if I have made you laugh that in itself is something as laughter is a medicine to cure many ailments

Your viewpoint is closer to that of the GC community so of course being a true TC fighting for his right not be assimilated via minority rights into a GC state or ruled by GCs we will always differ.

[Kikapu]

if I have made you laugh that in itself is something as laughter is a medicine to cure many ailments

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Try it sometimes, it really works.

VP, I don't want the TC's to be treated as second class citizens in their own country, or even in Turkey, but it's going to happen to some TC's by the GC's and also to some GC's by the TC's, , where . The important thing, is not to have it institutionalised, you know, be a policy of the government, to allow such wrong doings.

If the GC's have the same view as me, as you claim, than that would be a good thing. I want to have a country where all citizens are equal and have a say so in their future, and allowed to bring up their families in a safe and secure environment, to share the wealth and defend the island against outside forces. Be an independent, free, and productive country, where the beacon of light from our shores will illuminate the whole of the Mediterranean, to show all the visitors what the whole island stands for, as one people, with different languages, and English as the common language between them all.

Isn't this better than a Partition, with a barbed wire dividing the island and it's citizens. Did we not already have this with the Berlin Wall and East Germany. When West Germany was prospering, the East Germans were looking across the barbed wire with envy.

I know we are no where near that stage for the TC's, just wanted to make the point.

[Viewpoint]

if I have made you laugh that in itself is something as laughter is a medicine to cure many ailments

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Try it sometimes, it really works.

VP, I don't want the TC's to be treated as second class citizens in their own country, or even in Turkey, but it's going to happen to some TC's by the GC's and also to some GC's by the TC's, , where . The important thing, is not to have it institutionalised, you know, be a policy of the government, to allow such wrong doings.

If the GC's have the same view as me, as you claim, than that would be a good thing. I want to have a country where all citizens are equal and have a say so in their future, and allowed to bring up their families in a safe and secure environment, to share the wealth and defend the island against outside forces. Be an independent, free, and productive country, where the beacon of light from our shores will illuminate the whole of the Mediterranean, to show all the visitors what the whole island stands for, as one people, with different languages, and English as the common language between them all.

Isn't this better than a Partition, with a barbed wire dividing the island and it's citizens. Did we not already have this with the Berlin Wall and East Germany. When West Germany was prospering, the East Germans were looking across the barbed wire with envy.

I know we are no where near that stage for the TC's, just wanted to make the point.

What we have to decide is can we have all the things you and we long for together or divided, we obviously differ on this issue. We have tasted the togetherness which nearly got us annihilated in an 11 year period and have also been fortunate enough to taste the freedom of going it alone without having to look over our shoulders just in case the knife was going to to be implanted at any moment in time in more ways than one. My choice as you have already worked out is the second alternative as I do not see or am i convinced that unification will allow TCs the things you want for us mentioned above. The majority rule does not rid us of our prejudices it will only fuel it and ensure my children will be discriminated against for being a TC. Can you imagine the scenario where your child goes for a job and the panel are all Gcs who harbour prejudices against TCs but of course do not exhibit this openly at all, they choose a GC for the post although that candidate was less qualified than your own child. You go to get permission for to build a house but the deciding body are composed of GCs and they refuse you permission for some stupid reason you do not understand. These are problems we will face in our day to day lives in our own country, not a host country where this is also evident and where minorities are constantly claiming they have been hard done by. I do not want this for my children that is why ı will always fight to ensure they are not discriminated against in anyway in their own country even if this means working hard for recognition as you have the right to promote unification and put my future at risk I also have the right to promote recognition to secure a future where my children and my community can say this is my country and I am at home without being demoted into just another minority status left to the mercy of GCs.

[shahmaran]

Great, like its not enough we have plenty of Greeks who claim Cyprus is Greek, now we also have TCs who claim cyprus is Greek, Kikapu i think you need to spend a lot more time in TRNC before you make such claims.

As for someone who lives there, i can happily say that, out of everyone i have ever spoken this issue with, Kikapu is one of a kind and that hopefully it will stay like that. Your views are even worse then of thoose people who are waiting to desert the island for good and never to return, i will stick with those people who live in TRNC and feel that they are frm TRNC, and want to keep it that way.