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[Pete_D]

On the main page, this forum says, and I quote:

"Cyprus Problem
How can we solve it? (Keep it civilized)"

Let's just print those last 3 words again:

Keep it civilized

It seems most people who post in this sub-forum have not noticed those three words before.

Or perhaps, they are losing something in translation?
Many on-line resources exist to help you translate almost anything into any language of your choice.

I am sure anyone who is interested will be able to find a suitable translation of the phrase "Keep It Civilized" in a format which they are able to understand.

Kindest of Regards,
Pete

[shahmaran]

amen to that brother!

thats what shocked me the most since some ppl have been here for so long and still fail to comprehend!

[Pete_D]

Thing is, all they are doing is harming Cyprus.

Suppose I find this forum and come along for a read, wanting to know more about cyprus, its people, its culture.

And then all I see is the miserable bunch of gits fighting with each other all the time. Then maybe I will think, "no I won't go there on holiday, I won't go and live there" etc. and that harms the WHOLE of cyprus.

And that is such a shame, because these few people would be giving such a bad reflection on ALL cypriots to the rest of the world, by the way they all behave day after day after day after day.... its like a never ending record, no-one ever solves anything... I've only been on this forum about a week and I'm sick of it already.

Top five things too many people do on this forum:
1. Slag off whichever "half" of cyprus they don't live in
2. Slag off each other
3. Slag off the USA
4. Slag off anything else they can think of
5. Repeat the above ad infinitum

[eracles]

HI Pete_D - just stay in the General Chat area, it may have been a bit political recently but is usually light-hearted. I think there may need to be a new forum here, maybe an experiment where people must be respectful of each other, non confrontational and simply discuss the Cyprus problem in a mature adult way. Most topics in the Cyprus Problem forum end up running round in the same never ending circles as all the other topics in the Cyprus problem forum.

[zan]

HI Pete_D - just stay in the General Chat area, it may have been a bit political recently but is usually light-hearted. I think there may need to be a new forum here, maybe an experiment where people must be respectful of each other, non confrontational and simply discuss the Cyprus problem in a mature adult way. Most topics in the Cyprus Problem forum end up running round in the same never ending circles as all the other topics in the Cyprus problem forum.

Why don't you give it a try and I will monitor how you get on

[shahmaran]

yeah i feel you man, try living in it hehe! i have learned to filter ppl out on this island by their first few words about "the problem" the more ignorant they are the less realistic and more extreme views they have, to be honest the main problem is that everyone wants whats immediately best for them and not whats best for everyone, i guess thats a global problem hey....its human nature :/

[Piratis]

to be honest the main problem is that everyone wants whats immediately best for them and not whats best for everyone, i guess thats a global problem hey....its human nature :/

There is nothing that can be "best for everyone" if some people consider as "best" to keep by force what does not belong to them.

The best would be if everybody got what they own, everybody got their 100% human and legal rights, and everybody respected everybody else.

However, as you say, some want what is good for them alone, even if what they want is illegal, and even if what they want violates the human rights of others.

Therefore a civilized discussion can be made only if it is based on mutual respect, and universal values such as democracy and human rights are accepted as defining the framework which discussions can be made.

When discussions go out of these limits with arguments that boil down to "I can disrespect you because I have the power" or " "I won the war so now you have to face the realities and capitulate" then respect and the above mentioned values go out of the window, and so does civilized discussion.

Civilization is what is supposed to replace the laws of jungle were everybody can do anything as long as they can. Unfortunately some people seem to prefer the jungle way rather than the civilized way, since they believe that way suits them better.

[GorillaGal]

well said, thank you Pete.
you are a delicious dish!

[shahmaran]

well unfortunately even civilization has jungle rules, maybe not as brutal and obvious, but higly sinister and insedious, these have much more damaging long term consequences then most immediate bruatlity, these days the worst thing you can do to a nation is definately not by the "jungle way".

when i say "best for everyone" i mean finding a middle ground with compromise, im sure thats always a possibility, but for that to happen ppl have got to want what is best for all....

[Piratis]

when i say "best for everyone" i mean finding a middle ground with compromise

You said 3 things, which can mean totally different things.

"Best for everyone" probably does not exist, as if it did we would have probably found it long time ago (why would anybody reject what is best for him?)

"middle ground" is also something very vague. The middle of what? The middle of two extremes? Which directly means that the more extreme and aggressive you are the more you get?

Compromise by both sides? Sure. Thats a valid way. But these compromises have to be of equal magnitude with an end result something that will not be better or worst for any side than what has been agreed in 1960 and which constitutes the only legal thing that exists in Cyprus.
For example asking from GCs to compromise their human rights while in return you "compromise" to give back part of what does not belong to you in the first place, is not an equal compromise, and would result in you gaining on our loss, something which can not be accepted.

I know that the "jungle rules" still apply in many cases. But if thats how we are going to "solve" the Cyprus problem then whats the point of discussing anything? Lets just leave the "jungle rules" work. However you have to remember that choosing that way, because it suits you now, might not bring the desired result to you and in the end you might get a taste of those rules in the reversed way.

This is why I insist that following universal principles and the examples of other successful democracies would be the best. Those principles are always the same. They do not change based on the balance of power, neither can be affected by unfair outrageous demands in the way that "middle ground" does. Therefore they provide a solid base for a true solution that will last for a long long time.

If we base the "solution" on things that can fluctuate like the balance of power and the "middle ground", then a permanent stable solution will never be found and peace will never come.