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So if the victim fights back does that make him also the aggressor? or is it related to the number of dead as Piratis always tries to correlate blame, the more you kill the more guilty you are?

[eracles]

hehehehe hohohoho look at this thread it's already turned into all the other ones, i could post a new topic called: tangerines and the outcome would be the same

[Piratis]

So when TCs kill GCs is "fighting back", the the Armenian genocide is also "fighting back", when the Turks invade throwing bombs all over the place is a "peace operation", in general Turks are just victims that "fight back"

For the intercommunal conflict both GCs and TCs share the blame. Most of the GCs that got killed by the TCs were innocent unarmed people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How do you kill somebody unarmed to "fight back"?

[zan]

So when TCs kill GCs is "fighting back", the the Armenian genocide is also "fighting back", when the Turks invade throwing bombs all over the place is a "peace operation", in general Turks are just victims that "fight back"

For the intercommunal conflict both GCs and TCs share the blame. Most of the GCs that got killed by the TCs were innocent unarmed people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How do you kill somebody unarmed to "fight back"?

And the children that were killed in the bath? The men that were killed mown down with machine guns? Were they all holding weapons of mass destruction.....

[Kikapu]

now my understanding of "jungle rules" is very much on the Darwinian side. survival of the fittest and so forth.

:p

Reading some of your posts and the text & terminology in them, I can see you have spent some time in the States. Let me guess where ? How about Texas.? You seem to have adopted the Right -Wing Fascist attitude, with views as expressed above.

Perhaps you should live the experiment, and move to the Galapagos Islands.!!

On the other hand, you can try and live in a civilized world and adopt another point of view, which would be, "Survival of the Smartest".!!

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Piratis

So when TCs kill GCs is "fighting back", the the Armenian genocide is also "fighting back", when the Turks invade throwing bombs all over the place is a "peace operation", in general Turks are just victims that "fight back"

So what your saying is that it doesnt matter who started the fighting? so the Germans are innocent and those nasty British threw bombs all over the place, or were they just fighting back?

For the intercommunal conflict both GCs and TCs share the blame. Most of the GCs that got killed by the TCs were innocent unarmed people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How do you kill somebody unarmed to "fight back"?

And those TCs that got killed, the 3 year olds were armed militia? You are taking this on a one to one basis between individuals think on a bigger scale, GCs wanted the whole of Cyprus to give to Greece and to wipe out the obstacle being the Tcs and the silly TCs thought they would fight back, ho how silly of them wanting to save their lives.

[Piratis]

So when TCs kill GCs is "fighting back", the the Armenian genocide is also "fighting back", when the Turks invade throwing bombs all over the place is a "peace operation", in general Turks are just victims that "fight back"

For the intercommunal conflict both GCs and TCs share the blame. Most of the GCs that got killed by the TCs were innocent unarmed people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How do you kill somebody unarmed to "fight back"?

And the children that were killed in the bath? The men that were killed mown down with machine guns? Were they all holding weapons of mass destruction.....

I am not the one who claimed that our side was innocent and we were just "fighting back" during the intercommunal conflict, right?

On the contrary I said that both sides have commited atrocities that had nothing to do with fighting back. (some answer goes for VP). Many GC men, women and children were killed by TCs as well.

So what your saying is that it doesnt matter who started the fighting? so the Germans are innocent and those nasty British threw bombs all over the place, or were they just fighting back?

If you want to play that game the answer to "who started it" is a clear one: The Turks did in 1571. And if we follow your "logic" then every crime GCs committed since then can be considered as "fighting back" and can therefore be excused. Thats your kind of logic? Or maybe you prefer to call "start" not the start, but some point in the middle that suits you?

And don't tell complain now because I talked about the past. You are the one who said that "who started it" is what matters, in a lame effort to excuse your own crimes and your share of responsibility for the intercommunal conflict.

[zan]

So when TCs kill GCs is "fighting back", the the Armenian genocide is also "fighting back", when the Turks invade throwing bombs all over the place is a "peace operation", in general Turks are just victims that "fight back"

For the intercommunal conflict both GCs and TCs share the blame. Most of the GCs that got killed by the TCs were innocent unarmed people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How do you kill somebody unarmed to "fight back"?

And the children that were killed in the bath? The men that were killed mown down with machine guns? Were they all holding weapons of mass destruction.....

I am not the one who claimed that our side was innocent and we were just "fighting back" during the intercommunal conflict, right?

On the contrary I said that both sides have commited atrocities that had nothing to do with fighting back. (some answer goes for VP). Many GC men, women and children were killed by TCs as well.

So what your saying is that it doesnt matter who started the fighting? so the Germans are innocent and those nasty British threw bombs all over the place, or were they just fighting back?

If you want to play that game the answer to "who started it" is a clear one: The Turks did in 1571. And if we follow your "logic" then every crime GCs committed since then can be considered as "fighting back" and can therefore be excused. Thats your kind of logic? Or maybe you prefer to call "start" not the start, but some point in the middle that suits you?

And don't tell complain now because I talked about the past. You are the one who said that "who started it" is what matters, in a lame effort to excuse your own crimes and your share of responsibility for the intercommunal conflict.

Makarios started it and YOU are carrying it on. Plain and simple.

[shahmaran]

aggreeed! armenian genocide? the moment the turks were falling weak we had 10 different nations all over us trying to take a piece incliding the Greeks who were as far as Ankara, so i suppose they should blame us for genocide too, why not? it seems to be the poppular thing to do these days! whos going o take blame for TC genocide? blame that on turkey tooo, afterall if they hadnt turned up there would be no one left to complain, cyprus would be all greek and everyone would have lived happily after! the point is if u go really far back in history greeks invaded and killed many many countries as well, ottomans just did it a lot better, i dont see the romans bitching about their loss do you?

ps. i have never been to america nor i speak with an american accent, believing in natural selection makes me anything but "right wing" plus u dont have to go all the way to the gallapagos to see the evidence of it, if u have a better explanation for such a crude term as "jungle laws" then plz be my guest, but nice try buddy

[Piratis]

Makarios started it and YOU are carrying it on. Plain and simple.

The only thing that is carried on today is the illegal occupation. Funny that you blame Makarios when the Turks were butchering 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time.

whos going o take blame for TC genocide?

TC genocide? So some 100s of TCs dead constitutes a genocide, but 1000s of GCs dead does not? You are funny.

The only thing that can be considered as genocide in Cyprus happened long time ago, when a significant % of Cyprus population was butchered within days (and remember that in that time the population of Cyprus was not what it is today. 20-30.000 people was probably more than 1/3rd of the total population.)

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

By the way, the above answers the "Who started" question, for the ones that insist on it.