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[andri_cy]

How did you come to the conclusion he doesn't like the thought of you being equals just by reading a question he asked which by the way is fair to ask either way? After all the things you talked about i.e. remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side, would you sit down to negotiate for partition or for unification. Where does it say in his question he doesn't want to negotiate?

[Pyrpolizer]

Spot on VP. I still can't see what differences Pyro can see in our views, or is he a separatist

I want to remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side. Now do you get it?

Then we can negotiate as 2 equals...is that a problem?

Do you Zan agree with what VP said yes or no? Do you agree to negotiate after this leveling out as proposed by VP yes or no? And what do YOU (in singular) expect those negotiations to aim at, and what VP expects those negotiations to aim at? Go on guys discuss this matter , and prove us you do not have any differences in your views.

[Viewpoint]

How did you come to the conclusion he doesn't like the thought of you being equals just by reading a question he asked which by the way is fair to ask either way? After all the things you talked about i.e. remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side, would you sit down to negotiate for partition or for unification. Where does it say in his question he doesn't want to negotiate?

Sorry misread his post, apologies....we would then sit and negotiate for what everyone wanted partition or unification as the situation would have changed and people would have a great deal of what they want, maybe the positivity would encourage people to believe we can live together or prove once and for all that partition is the best route.

[DT.]

dont' really see how i can be mis-read there but no worries VP. My question is not answered however. You consistently go on abot how the present strategy the GC's are following is not working. Why would you care if this is not working if you do not wish the outcome of unification?

If you don't want the result why question the method and not encourage the method since the non-result it is bringing is what you yourself want? (hope that makes sense)

You should be the biggest supporter of TPap and his strategy since according to you he is leading us to partition.

Unless you wish to raise the isolation, get recognised as a state and go about our different ways, in which case this goes against the objective of the GC side and is a strategy that will not be followed.

[Viewpoint]

DT

My question is not answered however. You consistently go on abot how the present strategy the GC's are following is not working. Why would you care if this is not working if you do not wish the outcome of unification?

Take it as a warning, or an observation that they are fooling the GC community more than anything else for your continue support of the current policies you will all return home, which in itself is a fallacy.

I personally once believed in unification but since the opening of the borders having met Gcs in many arenas and with the referendum behind us I truly believe 99% cemented partition and 1% unification. To test that 1% or see it grow that's why I am here...

If you don't want the result why question the method and not encourage the method since the non-result it is bringing is what you yourself want? (hope that makes sense)

Totally correct but knowledge is a learning curve and asking questions always allows to get a clearer picture how people think and I have learned a great deal from this forum good and bad.

You should be the biggest supporter of TPap and his strategy since according to you he is leading us to partition.

Totally correct and I do support him from time to time as he puts another nail in the coffin of unification.

Unless you wish to raise the isolation, get recognised as a state and go about our different ways, in which case this goes against the objective of the GC side and is a strategy that will not be followed.

I want to make us equals, you have no army we have no army, you have an airport we have an airport, you have recognition we have recognition or non recognition for both until a solution is found etc etc...this would allow both sides the opportunity not to have an advantage over the other and there sit down with a level playing field and no hostages.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am still waiting for Zan to agree with you Viewpoint.

[Pyrpolizer]

I REPEAT:

Do you Zan agree with what VP said yes or no? Do you agree to negotiate after this leveling out as proposed by VP yes or no? And what do YOU (in singular) expect those negotiations to aim at, and what VP expects those negotiations to aim at? Go on guys discuss this matter , and prove us you do not have any differences in your views.

[Viewpoint]

I REPEAT:

Do you Zan agree with what VP said yes or no? Do you agree to negotiate after this leveling out as proposed by VP yes or no? And what do YOU (in singular) expect those negotiations to aim at, and what VP expects those negotiations to aim at? Go on guys discuss this matter , and prove us you do not have any differences in your views.

Whats wrong with unity and cooperation, we have it between Turkey and the TRNC and between Turkish Cypriots, with a few exceptions of those TCs that have lived abroad for so long they are no longer appreciative of the situation we find finds ourselves in and the difficulties we are up against. This is something we have never experienced with you guys and do not appear to making any headway at all.

[shahmaran]

I am totally with VP on this one, i had very briefly offered the same idea when i forst got here, which is why i got in trouble with so many people in the first place.

i do not see why the greeks are insisting on pushing us like this. (well i do but thats another point) It is a wrong strategy, they still ARE, forcefully, trying to get us to submit so they can take things from us, but just with a different strategy this time.......

[Viewpoint]

They feel it will make us want a solution.