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[andri_cy]

Noooooo

[zan]

:(
Noooooo

Are those soap bubbles coming out of your mouth

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@Zan

VP knows much more than you, but unfortunately he is a partitionist for other reasons.

What reasons?

[andri_cy]

:(
Noooooo

Are those soap bubbles coming out of your mouth

Yup used dish soap AND shampoo

[Viewpoint]

The definition of Genocide against thew TCs by sahramaran

700 TCs +400 GCs killed between 1960-1974
240 TCs +6000 GCs killed during the Turkish Invasion





Man do you know those killed between 1960-74 are less than those killed in road accidents?

Where did you get these figures from? whats your independent source or have you just plucked them from where the sun dont shine?

The first two are for the Cyprus conflict web-site.
The third is also from there if you add up the 4 TC villages were massacres occured Tohni Sanalar Aloe etc.
The fourth shouldnt concern you because it does not refer to TC "genocide"

Thank you for clarifying where you got these figures, but I still feel that no figures are 100% correct even today both sides have missing people. Both sides manipulate these figures to support their claims against the other side.

I always ask myself does the volume of dead make one side more guilty? or does it tell us that side is better at war for various reasons?

Id like to try and clarify the Genocide many TCs refer to as there always seem to be some confusion. The way that these innocent TCs were killed and buried has really psychologically effected many people and this is very natural, seeing babied and children buried alive in shallow graves does not exactly encourage love and understanding. For TCs the risk and danger of ending up the same epitimizes Genocide and fuels the belief that GCs had th intention of genocide, samsons declaration of annihilating the TCs in so much time, the open unfilled graves etc are just more factor which contributes to the belief that if Turkey had not intervened there would have been genocide. Well from this side of the fence I am glad they did what they did when they did because it was us that were at risk.

Gcs have to appreciate the mentality of being numerically the smaller partner and the weaker half, being discriminated against and made into a second class citizen in your own country, unable to prosper. 1960 was a great opportunity to build a "Cypriot" people which some our forum members dream about but it was lost and that loss is every ones loss.

Isn't it time GCs started to think in EU terms and allow TCs to move on, the policy of using isolation to keep us "wanting a solution" will never work, the TCs have to see that unification will benefit their daily lives and so far all the have seen form the south is a rejection of the only plan put before the people and constant negative moves in the tit for tat race which is getting so childish that most Tcs are saying well maybe we are just better if as we are.

[zan]

Spot on VP. I still can't see what differences Pyro can see in our views, or is he a separatist

[DT.]

The definition of Genocide against thew TCs by sahramaran

700 TCs +400 GCs killed between 1960-1974
240 TCs +6000 GCs killed during the Turkish Invasion





Man do you know those killed between 1960-74 are less than those killed in road accidents?

Where did you get these figures from? whats your independent source or have you just plucked them from where the sun dont shine?

The first two are for the Cyprus conflict web-site.
The third is also from there if you add up the 4 TC villages were massacres occured Tohni Sanalar Aloe etc.
The fourth shouldnt concern you because it does not refer to TC "genocide"

Thank you for clarifying where you got these figures, but I still feel that no figures are 100% correct even today both sides have missing people. Both sides manipulate these figures to support their claims against the other side.

I always ask myself does the volume of dead make one side more guilty? or does it tell us that side is better at war for various reasons?

Id like to try and clarify the Genocide many TCs refer to as there always seem to be some confusion. The way that these innocent TCs were killed and buried has really psychologically effected many people and this is very natural, seeing babied and children buried alive in shallow graves does not exactly encourage love and understanding. For TCs the risk and danger of ending up the same epitimizes Genocide and fuels the belief that GCs had th intention of genocide, samsons declaration of annihilating the TCs in so much time, the open unfilled graves etc are just more factor which contributes to the belief that if Turkey had not intervened there would have been genocide. Well from this side of the fence I am glad they did what they did when they did because it was us that were at risk.

Gcs have to appreciate the mentality of being numerically the smaller partner and the weaker half, being discriminated against and made into a second class citizen in your own country, unable to prosper. 1960 was a great opportunity to build a "Cypriot" people which some our forum members dream about but it was lost and that loss is every ones loss.

Isn't it time GCs started to think in EU terms and allow TCs to move on, the policy of using isolation to keep us "wanting a solution" will never work, the TCs have to see that unification will benefit their daily lives and so far all the have seen form the south is a rejection of the only plan put before the people and constant negative moves in the tit for tat race which is getting so childish that most Tcs are saying well maybe we are just better if as we are.

Just to get this straight VP, you want the GC's to stop using the isolation as a method of bring the TC;s closer to unification cause its not working and to try something more european because that will work? But I thought you don't want unification??? So you would want the method that doesn't work.

I'm confused do you want unification or not?

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I want to remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side. Now do you get it?

Then we can negotiate as 2 equals...is that a problem? or do you feel that keeping us economically hostage will ensure we want a solution?

[DT.]

I want to remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side. Now do you get it?

Then we can negotiate as 2 equals...is that a problem? or do you feel that keeping us economically hostage will ensure we want a solution?

After all that is done are we negotiating for unification or an orderly partition?

[Viewpoint]

I want to remove the obstacles of isolation, return of property rights, reduction of army a leveling out procedure, what ever you see fit for yourselves you should fit for the other side. Now do you get it?

Then we can negotiate as 2 equals...is that a problem? or do you feel that keeping us economically hostage will ensure we want a solution?

After all that is done are we negotiating for unification or an orderly partition?

So you dont like the thought of us being equals? you want the upper hand of course all in the name of making us want a solution?