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[Kifeas]

you might not be good warriors but ure definately great at whinging and propaganda and in simple terms plain bullshit!

The fact that we were defeated by a country about 100 times larger in terms of population size, which was equipped with the state of the art NATO weaponry of the time, and at a time when we were fighting each other internally -in a civil war that emerged as a resulted of the coup from a handful of Greek fascists that you rightfully mentioned already above; doesn’t prove at all that we are not “good warriors!” Quite the opposite, since even under these facts and circumstances that I mentioned, the Turkish invasion faced so many difficulties and only out of sheer circumstantial luck it successfully passed the critical first day /night after the landing in Kyrenia.

After all, we beat Ireland in football, a country 10 times bigger than us, and Germany -a football superpower country 100 times bigger than us, only hardly managed to escaped from Cyprus with a tie. Therefore, never underestimate us, for your own good and sake!

back to your point im never going to feel sorry for your "ethnic cleansing" because i dont think its not anywhere nearly comparable to "genocide" ....

Which genocide? Who spoke about genosite?

... so again in simple terms for you, tough shit you lost your house and you lovely garden but you brought it up onto yourselves. therefore if there is any middle ground to be found between us, greeks better start accepting the evil they have done as well as the turks, and then we can start to negotiate.

Since you will never “feel sorry for my ethnic cleansing” and since “we brought it up onto ourselves,” as you affirm, and since you “won” the war and “got” the best part of the country and more than twice of land /territory (37%) than your population’s fair share (18%; ) why on earth do you want to negotiate anything with us, in order to find a middle ground between us, and what this middle ground means to you in the first place?

Is the middle ground you are talking about, something like the Annan plan, in which you were assigned the exclusive ownership (with our signature) of the very best 29% of Cyprus -and 50% of its coastlines, for you to share it alone with Turkey via your 'brothers" -the settlers from Turkey; in exchange of returning some of the crappiest parts that are of no use to anyone other than for growing barley for donkeys; and on top of this we were also supposed to nullify and dissolve the RoC and create a “virgin birth confederal state" in which your less than 18% community -together with Turkey via all the illegal settlers that would have stayed here; would have become the 50:50 partners of Cyprus international personality? Is this the middle ground you are talking about?

[shahmaran]

Kifeas, we r clearly both arguing with the basis of 2 totally differnet stories so its a waste of time! ure going to blame me for stealing and killing and ethnic cleansing, im going to blame you for genocide blabalbla

i am sorry i have to state this one more time but Greeks are nothing agaisnt the Turks in battle!! wether this is in cyprus or turkey, i believe history has prooved this many times, since the greeks always find it appropiate to attack turks in their most vulnerable times and still face horrible and humiliating loss, i can understand why u blame us for being barbarians! we got balls my friend, we dont need weapons!

i believe most of the mass graves filled with TC women and children took place during that desperate time of war when turkey started moving in from girne,(thats what i mean by GENOCIDE!) hence why they are filled with only women, children, and elderly (good strategy there very applausable). i think greece tried a similar strategy with the help of the english on turkey just after the collapse of the ottoman empire, when turks didnt even have food to eat let alone a propper army, well we all know how that one went....

but all this rubbish to one side, no one wants to kill anyone anymore!! and im not here to negotiate nor preach hate, just exchange thoughts and views in a more peacefull way unlike the current climate.

for me middle ground could be something like allowing the north to sort themselves out before negotiating, coz right now all its happening is that everyone is trying to sufffocate the TCs into submission, i hope it doesnt work! if we need to move on we both have to accept our mistakes and not try to punish the other side. i too am looking forward to a united cyprus some day where everyone can tolerate each other and be happy but i dont see it happening any time soon and definately not with your strategy. im very pessimsitic about a real solution happening in my lifetime, and im only 26



ps, oh and trust me i DO NOT underestimate greeks, i know what senaky buggers some of you can be! (just kidding ) i do respect you guys as much as i would respect any other nation, and i do feel closer to you then i would to any other nation, but i just do not aggree with the way u tell history and specially the parts about us!

[miltiades]

SHAHMARAN , What an immature bullshitter you really are , you should be ashamed of yourself !

"""i am sorry i have to state this one more time but Greeks are nothing agaisnt the Turks in battle!! wether this is in cyprus or turkey, i believe history has prooved this many times, since the greeks always find it appropiate to attack turks in their most vulnerable times and still face horrible and humiliating loss, i can understand why u blame us for being barbarians! we got balls my friend, we dont need weapons! """

[shahmaran]

militiades i was only refering to the bullshit the otehr guy was throwign about NCs having nato arms or whatever the crap he was on about! and if u do look at history u will see that im right, greeks would be mad to try to take us on any other time, it only makes sense!!!

[observer]

I don't often agree with miltiades, but I do on this occasion.

[shahmaran]

i mean the amount of bullshit i have heard since i walked into this forum (and thats not very long) no suprize we cant have peace on the island!! so much mal-education so much ignorance and hatred and "lets blame it all on the turks" attitude! its shocking!

AND READ MORE HISTORY!

[miltiades]

Listen you clever dick , to take who on ? Are you a Cypriot or merely a settler in Cyprus.
What genocide are you on about , I was under the impression that the only genocide was the Armenian which Turkey is in denial contrary to the entire world , including the Muslim world , who accept that this event did take place. The Cypriots , with the exemption of a small minority are peaceful loving people , family people and respectful to others with a lot of common sense. Making the type of comments that you are making will not in any way help our people to come together. Unless of course like VP and Zan you have already abandoned your motherland , Cyprus that is , and rubbed yourself in Turkeys skirt. My question is Are you a Cypriot , because if you are not then you have no right to claim one intch of Cyprus.

[shahmaran]

wow talk about rudeness how come im the only one who gets blamed for swearing!!

well then u listen to me u clever FUCK!! im as cypriot as it gets as a matter of fact im from Lekfe so if u want to be a smart fucking DICK then i suggest u get you stupid fairy tales right!

turkey is definately the least poppular muslim country within with in the muslim world so fuck the other muslims i couldnt care less if they all turned into hedgehogs! and if u dont even know the attrocities your own ppl have committed then i suggest u go read a little bit more then come back for a real discussion, is that clear DICK??! im sure it is coz u do sound like a very clever dick!

oh and i would never abandon my mother land so im sure thats good news to you

now if u want to be a helpfull little cypriot and help our "cause" then i suggest u cut the crap so we can discuss with more respect and diligence! allright sunshine?

[Kifeas]

i am sorry i have to state this one more time but Greeks are nothing agaisnt the Turks in battle!! wether this is in cyprus or turkey, i believe history has prooved this many times, since the greeks always find it appropiate to attack turks in their most vulnerable times and still face horrible and humiliating loss, i can understand why u blame us for being barbarians! we got balls my friend, we dont need weapons!

First of all, I did not speak about Greeks, but only about us Greek Cypriots.

Nevertheless, and since you so arrogantly wish to believe and claim that you as Turks are better, more brave and more powerfull /stronger than the Greeks, let us look at some facts to see if you are indeed so, or whether you are just living with some illusions about your racial superiority and manliness.

Turkey is a country of about 73 million, and Greece a country of about 11 million. Right? Therefore, Turkey is roughly 7 times bigger than Turkey. Right?

In the Atlanta Olympics of 1996, Greece won 4 gold and 4 silver medals and finished on the 16th position of the table, while Turkey won only 4 gold, 1 silver and 1 bronze medal and finished on the 20th position. I do not mean to say that Greeks are better than Turks, but, shouldn’t at least this results have been the other way around, since Turkey is 7 times bigger than Greece?

In the Sydney Olympics of 2000, Greece won 4 gold, 6 silver and 3 bronze medals and finished on the 17th position of the table, while Turkey won only 3 gold, 0 silver and 1 bronze medal and finished on the 27th position. I do not mean to say that Greeks are better than Turks, but, shouldn’t this have been the other way around, since Turkey is 7 times bigger than Greece?

In the Athens Olympics of 2004, Greece won 6 gold, 6 silver and 4 bronze medals and finished on the 15th position of the table, while Turkey won only 3 gold, 3 silver and 4 bronze medals and finished on the 22nd position. I do not mean to say that Greeks are better than Turks, but, shouldn’t this have been the other way around, since Turkey is 7 times bigger than Greece?

In other words, even though Turkey is a country 7 times bigger than Greece, it always finishes behind Greece in the Olympics. How does this prove your theory that Turks are better and stronger as a race than the Greeks?

I now wish to live you to research all the past results of team sports such as football, basketball and volley ball, between the national teams of Greece and Turkey, and find who has more victories over the other, in each one of them. You do not need to go back too far, just do it only for the last 10-15 years if you so wish.

I am sorry if I burst your bubble, but you went looking for it with your arrogance.

[shahmaran]

Kifeas im sorry but i was only talking about war! if olympics make u feel like u have a bigger penis then fine so let it be, but this had nothing to do with my original point! i personally cannot stand football nor olympics, i find them as interesting to watch as it is to watch paint dry, so im sorry to burst YOUR bubble but your argument means fuckall to me, so lets stick to subjects that are worth spending time and meantal energy on, like the GENOCIDE u love to ignore so much! and if u find my stance arrogant then im sorry, but it was only a response to your arrogance, i have not willingly been rude nor offensive to anyone here for no reason so far, so lets keep it friendly