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[zan]

We wont argue it then because as you say it has been done a thousand times before with the same result, an impass.

[zan]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

[DT.]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

Cypriot??? Thought you had more in common with your European settlers from Eastern Turkey than with us . We can't both call ourselves Cypriot and then claim we have nothing to do with each other.

[zan]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

Cypriot??? Thought you had more in common with your European settlers from Eastern Turkey than with us . We can't both call ourselves Cypriot and then claim we have nothing to do with each other.

Come on DT, I expect better than that from you. I am Cypriot through and through, I just am not part of the RoC and the RoC does not represent all Cypriots. Plain and simple.

[DT.]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

Cypriot??? Thought you had more in common with your European settlers from Eastern Turkey than with us . We can't both call ourselves Cypriot and then claim we have nothing to do with each other.

Come on DT, I expect better than that from you. I am Cypriot through and through, I just am not part of the RoC and the RoC does not represent all Cypriots. Plain and simple.

Thats what I thought Zan...its just that some of your inputs in the forum recently have been leaning a little more extreme than usual though.

[zan]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

Cypriot??? Thought you had more in common with your European settlers from Eastern Turkey than with us . We can't both call ourselves Cypriot and then claim we have nothing to do with each other.

Come on DT, I expect better than that from you. I am Cypriot through and through, I just am not part of the RoC and the RoC does not represent all Cypriots. Plain and simple.

Thats what I thought Zan...its just that some of your inputs in the forum recently have been leaning a little more extreme than usual though.

I don't quite understand quite what you mean? I have been asked by some about whether I feel an affinity with my Turkish brothers and I have answered honestly and have said that I do in many ways as I do with my Cypriotness. I have been frustrated with one particular person and may have answered a bit fiercely but I think still honestly. Some of them are trying to confuse and blend issues in order to try and win an argument but again I believe I have been true to my beliefs. I just see it differently than they do.

[Viewpoint]

Although I am very grateful for the electricity as you had every right not to give it to us but we did pay up front for it.

The pensions, those people paid into a fund pre 1974 thats why you have to pay them now, those pesions have been earned and are not from the kindnest of your heart.

You did not pay up front, and payment was not the issue. We could find a hundred excuses NOT TO GIVE YOU electricity and you would do that if we were in your position.
What you fail to understand is that we put your interests above our own

As for the pensions for your information none of your elderly was eligible for pension if the same terms applied to the GCs would apply to you, because the pension fund needs a minimum years contribution. The Government simply payed the contributions of the TCs for the missing years so they become eligible.

WOW! As much as that. The money comes from the EU and tell me how much have you been refusing to pay to us and keep telling us that you are saving it for us on condition we join the RoC. Even the RoC is not stupid enough to at least make it seem as if they are trying. Something like you are doing in your post.

As usual you are out of time and space. Show me the money coming from the EU that we are presumably saving for you. For your information RoC is a nett contributor to the EU.
Money coming and money coming…. Is this the fairy tails they feed you on with at the occupied that we get packs from abroad the same way you get packs from Turkey?

Total rubbish I am aware of how the payments were effected and that the electricity was luckily for us excess supply or otherwise we would have got nothing.

As for the pensions all you have see is the age of the receipients who are old enough to have contributed into the fund ang those that did not contribute enough only get payments accordingly. So your myths are just that hot air.

[Kifeas]

This is a point of contention as well you know it Kifeas and you have argued it a thousand times and lost. Especially to a person on another form.

The Treaty of guarantee is part of the constitution, article 181 as far as I can remember, and therefore if the treaty is to be nullified then the constitution is also. That it turn makes the RoC illegal and so on. This is for the courts and without the recognition of the TRNC then no law courts can try this case fairly. End of.

You can twist this as many times as you like but it will not make a difference because the law makes this a mockery.

Boy am I gonna get it now.

I have indeed presented the above unquestionably very valid argument, several times, but I do not recall having lost anything -set aside the argument, by anyone. The above argument is not shared by me or the RoC alone, but also by tens of International law experts that have given their legal opinion on the matter in numerous articles. Nevertheless, the doors of the ICJ are wide open for Turkey to argue its case, as it only has to accept the RoC long standing open invitation to have a hearing and a verdict by it.

The fact that there is an article in the RoC constitution, which adopts the treaty of “guarantee,” as well the fact that a number of articles are deemed non-amendable, mean absolutely nothing. In fact, even the existence of “non-amenable” constitutional articles -which “require” the consent of the "guarantor" powers to be amended, also are in conflict and violate the UN Charter, simply because they violate the self-determination right of a country and its people and the right of sovereign equality among and to each and every UN member country (Chapter I, article 2 of the UN Charter.) It is not the treaty or the constitution, as a whole, that violate the UN Charter, but only those provisions or elements that are in conflict with the Charter, and since the Charter overrules, they are by default invalid and inapplicable.

Cyprus is by default recognised and accepted in the UN as an independed and sovereign entity /country, outside and beyond any treaties or constitutional provisions. If such an issue existed, then countries in which dictatorial regimes take control and violate or eradicate the constitutional order of the country, would have been automatically derecognised by the UN and cease to exist as “nation-state” subjects of international law. However, this is not the case, since the UN regulates relationships between states on an international level, and doesn’t interfere in the internal constitutional affairs of UN member states, unless there is a danger or a threat to international peace and stability. Even so, it is the job of the UN SC to determine when something constitutes such a threat and act or authorise action accordingly, and not the job or the right of any one member state individually and unilaterally -with or without the existence of any treaty, like Turkey assumed in 1974. (CHAPTER VI, articles 33-38.)

[DT.]

Besides the fact that, that is for Turkey to contend with in which she has my full support. My problems are with the RoC (or is it the illegal GC republic) as I am a Cypriot.

Cypriot??? Thought you had more in common with your European settlers from Eastern Turkey than with us . We can't both call ourselves Cypriot and then claim we have nothing to do with each other.

Come on DT, I expect better than that from you. I am Cypriot through and through, I just am not part of the RoC and the RoC does not represent all Cypriots. Plain and simple.

Thats what I thought Zan...its just that some of your inputs in the forum recently have been leaning a little more extreme than usual though.

I don't quite understand quite what you mean? I have been asked by some about whether I feel an affinity with my Turkish brothers and I have answered honestly and have said that I do in many ways as I do with my Cypriotness. I have been frustrated with one particular person and may have answered a bit fiercely but I think still honestly. Some of them are trying to confuse and blend issues in order to try and win an argument but again I believe I have been true to my beliefs. I just see it differently than they do.

understood Zan, I have an issue more with your assumption that should you choose one or the other the Cypriot affinity with the GC;s will probably annihilate you whilst your brethren om Turkey will make sure you flourish as a culture.

[Pyrpolizer]

Total rubbish I am aware of how the payments were effected and that the electricity was luckily for us excess supply or otherwise we would have got nothing.

Stop pretending you know everything. There was absolutely no down payment. How could it be? Your man responsible for electricity brought in his payment after the bill was recorded. And there is no excess supply for so many Mega Watts.

You know what? This proves you WILL NEVER appreciate something unless it was FIRST deprived to you. The best thing for Papadopoulos to do should have been to delay the supply for at least one week. He proved stupid enough to provide it within 12 hours. Just to have people like you saying it was nothing.