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[Pyrpolizer]

Btw VP, it is not partition that our youth want. What they want is not even one Turk in Cyprus. As for living together with you thats totally out of question for them.

So if you prefer you may rest the fate of your future generations to our future generations, when all of us will be long gone.

[Pyrpolizer]

So VP if you really want to inherit a SECURE future to your children, we are the last generation of GCs with whom you can do it.

[zan]

Zan , I understand you live in London , how about two Cypriots meeting for a drink , I think mrfromng , who is currently in Cyprus would love to join us.
I appreciated your poem , though my views on the subject you chose are well known, you obviously have written other poems lets have some more.

Your comments on the football side not having T/C are valid why not ? As for the Eurovision song why not ?
YES I will scream that this island of ours and yours should be promoted as such , belonging not to the majority or minority but to us , to you and me , but will never support any action that is contrary to the prospects of a unified Island. Will never support partition , union with a foreign country is anathema to all that I stand for , and I'm not alone.

I am sorry mate but I had to have a little giggle on that invitation. It just reminded me of a few bar fights I have seen where the two thugs kick seven bells out of each other and then have a drink at the bar together with arms on each others shoulders like the best of friends. If you had asked me to join you for a drink before we took to fisticuffs then I would have jumped at the chance to meet a fellow Cypriot but it all seems pointless now with bloodied noses.

I will propose something though that will help me see things different. I want to see you at the Eurovision song contest with a big banner saying,

“ My name is Miltiades. This Cypriot song does not represent the Turkish Cypriots and should be withdrawn”.

Then not only will I buy you a drink but also I will invite you to my house to meat my family. I will cook you the most delicious, diabetes friendly shellfish paella you could ever eat. My best red wine will be at your disposal and I will even kiss your hand and put it to my forehead, a sign of respect that I reserve only for my aged parents and relatives.

[andri_cy]

Where is the Eurovision contest going to be held this year? Will Miltiades have to travel far?

[zan]

Saddam Hussein
by zan

Saddam Hussein


I would have made the rope from cotton wool
that was rapped around your neck
It would break without a sound
I would place a mattress for you to fall on
as you fell through the floor of the platform
I would shout "God bless" you as you realised that you were not dead
And I would sit with you and cry with you
I would put my arm around you and you would feel the love
that only another human beings touch can bring
I would give you water that you thought you would never taste again
and you would remember it until your dying day
I would help you up and walk you away from your shame on unsteady legs
Both yours and mine
I would sit with you again as you asked why
And I would have no answers
I would ask you why and your face would harden
And you would say that it was others that were to blame
And my face would harden
I would regret my mistake and wish the rope was real
You would say that you did too
We would stand side by side on the platform once again
Heavy rope around your neck
Cotton wool around mine
Cover my head I don’t want to watch you die.
Now you are dead and still your questions haunt me

I ‘ve seen a number of really precious posts from you that I feel oblidged to say thank you for sharing them with us.The above is one of them.

Too bad I don’t like your views on the Cyprob. I know you are the best friend with VP on your partitionist views, I wonder whether you ever considered if your motives are identical with those of VP.

On your little quarell with Miltiades I would say your supporting the staying of settlers on supposely "humanitarian" grounds without caring to support the return of GC refugees as if the GC refugees have less human rights in their own country than your settlers, makes you a hypocrite. A man with principles keeps the same principles on all occasions. He does not once use a cotton wool rope, then a real one, then interchanges the ropes on other people etc etc.

NB. Obviously this is not what you really wanted to say with your poem, I just used some parts of itto give you a clearer picture.

Thanks for your comments Pyro they are appreciated no matter what the situation is between us.


As for your comments about VP…..Did I miss something? I have seen little evidence that shows any difference in our motives. We both see partition as a sensible and safe option to an unsafe and disruptive unification. If you have any other ideas please post them and I will discuss them with you.



On your third point;

I have support for both refugees and the settlers. The difference is what problems each one will cause to the Cyprus problem. I have stated many times the dangers of what the RoC wants in the unconditional or even the conditional return of the refugees. The disruption and chaos that will send Cyprus into a downward spiral, both monetarily and mentally.

I think I do not have to dwell on the problems and disruption that the expelling of the settlers on both sides will bring to all concerned.


Now to the man with principles and my poem;

The poem is full of principles but they are confused with what really happens in the world. Yes I wanted with all my heart to forgive Saddam for his sins by saving him from the gallows but as a human being, I wanted him to realise his sins. I wanted a confession followed by repentance. He chose to carry on blaming others for his actions and although I understood that others were to blame, I could not forgive him for killing innocent children. I could not forgive him for being so stupid as to stand up and challenge America, in the way he did, and risk the lives of his own people. We all know that America was wrong in what she did and manipulated the price of oil to suit its self without regard for the people that actually own the stuff. What I hate Saddam for is his gross miscalculation of the situation and going into a war that he could never win. His aim of keeping control of the oil in the region has amounted to nothing and the ground is soaked with more blood than the oil can cover. The world press portrayed him as a great chess player. He won nothing and neither did his people. The reason I hung him in the end was because he wanted it. He asked to be hanged because he could no longer live with the guilt and as a last act of defiance against the west. I put a soft rope around my neck as a symbol of regret that the west handed him back to his own for hanging and could not carry out the dirty deed ourselves. We blamed the Iraqis barbarianism and washed our hands of the whole thing. I even covered my head in shame. The shame and his words will stay with me for a long time.

[Viewpoint]

Btw VP, it is not partition that our youth want. What they want is not even one Turk in Cyprus. As for living together with you thats totally out of question for them.

So if you prefer you may rest the fate of your future generations to our future generations, when all of us will be long gone.

Arent you contradicting yourself?

it is not partition that our youth want.

As for living together with you thats totally out of question for them.

or would that be me as an individual or the TC community?

With the current situation in place and moves to upgrade the north which will come in the future like it or not and your leaders mentality, I really dont see anyone going anywhere.

[Viewpoint]

So VP if you really want to inherit a SECURE future to your children, we are the last generation of GCs with whom you can do it.

What if everything stays the same which is the most likely scenario.

[miltiades]

Zan wrote:
"""“ My name is Miltiades. This Cypriot song does not represent the Turkish Cypriots and should be withdrawn”. """

I wish I could attend and the banner would be the following: I'm a Cypriot and demands the song represents all Cypriots , Greek and Turkish Cypriots- Sing it in ENGLISH "

I still think that the first stage of reconciliation is discussion and a friendly chat. I have met mrfromng in London and have retained a close contact. We have differences but are both mature enough to appreciate each others grievances and concerns. He knows me as a staunch Cypriot who would defend the right of all Cypriots to live peacefuly in their island not as a deprived minority or a privileged majority but as equal citizens in our country of birth.I do not look at Cypriots as either Greek or Turkish , the reason perhaps that I have so many T/Cs as friends stretching back many years. I have views that are solidly ingrained and would never change , one such view is that the kids I spend time in the Limassol orphanage and are now adults , were T/Cand G/C but we all were the children of Cyprus. The cancer of "motherland" aspirations was responsible for the disastrous conflicts that erupted as a result of such acrimonious aspirations.
Yes Zan , Cyprus is yous just as much as it is mine .

[Viewpoint]

The Eurovision song contest is a prime example of how a united Cyprus would work, the majority would never vote for a song sang in Turkish nor would they contemplate having a Turkish Cypriot singer competing for Cyprus. This has never happened in the history of the competition and it would take a miracle for CYBC to take a bold move and declare that alternate years a singer from each community should compete.

[DT.]

its not a bad idea though to have alternating verses in turkish and greek. Why should we have english in our song?