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[miltiades]

Knew exactly that Iraq was on your mind . I supported the war against Sadam and still do albeit I honestly consider that the Democratic principles of our Western culture can not be applied in Iraq and such nations that have still some way to go before entering the 20th century let along the 21st. The people of Iraq having endured an 8 year war with Iran are now on the brink of civil war brought upon them not by the USA but by their own kind.
What was cowardly in your mind against Iraq , I think it was a very courageous move with many sacrifices , time will tell and history will judge.
Now let us turn our attention to my proposal to introduce worldwide a tax on beards , you seem to dismiss such an aspiration and constantly splitting hair , but I'm deadly serious that no debate can produce satisfactory results without the bizarre and the ridiculous hair raising discussions. Getting late for me now , I beg you goodnight .
As for Zan , having accused me of wanting to send him to the Gas chambers I say grow up , be a Cypriot , forget the past face reality and stop acting like VP.

[zan]

Knew exactly that Iraq was on your mind . I supported the war against Sadam and still do albeit I honestly consider that the Democratic principles of our Western culture can not be applied in Iraq and such nations that have still some way to go before entering the 20th century let along the 21st. The people of Iraq having endured an 8 year war with Iran are now on the brink of civil war brought upon them not by the USA but by their own kind.
What was cowardly in your mind against Iraq , I think it was a very courageous move with many sacrifices , time will tell and history will judge.
Now let us turn our attention to my proposal to introduce worldwide a tax on beards , you seem to dismiss such an aspiration and constantly splitting hair , but I'm deadly serious that no debate can produce satisfactory results without the bizarre and the ridiculous hair raising discussions. Getting late for me now , I beg you goodnight .
As for Zan , having accused me of wanting to send him to the Gas chambers I say grow up , be a Cypriot , forget the past face reality and stop acting like VP.

Just when us youngsters are waking up?

I did not accuse of sending me to the gas chamber. What I said was that your line of thinking is tantamount to the thinking of bigots and that leads to the analogy of Hitler and the Nazis. You keep spouting off about what you like and what you don’t without regard for the people you are talking about. I have found over the years that all the people I have met that have this ideology and view of themselves as saints soon give them selves away by literally talking too much and show them selves up as only liking what they want. To you only Cypriots are good and the rest are bad. If you are pushed you then take on America and the west. The rest of the world is your anti Christ in terms of the twentieth century. What I object to is the insinuation by you that we in the west have reached a pinnacle of life that others have to aspire to and that peace is only achievable by those means. In short you have a short-sighted view of what life is all about. You preach peace the Miltiades way and no other way will do. Free your mind and appreciate the world for all its diversities. If we were to leave people to live their lives as they see fit then and only then will we have true peace. That does not include the Saddams of this world who choose their own destiny just like Makarios.



Here is a poem that I wrote and submitted to a poetry club. It got one good comment and one concerned one. Notice the use of the nooses around both our necks.


Saddam Hussein
by zan

Saddam Hussein


I would have made the rope from cotton wool
that was rapped around your neck
It would break without a sound
I would place a mattress for you to fall on
as you fell through the floor of the platform
I would shout “God bless” you as you realised that you were not dead
And I would sit with you and cry with you
I would put my arm around you and you would feel the love
that only another human beings touch can bring
I would give you water that you thought you would never taste again
and you would remember it until your dying day
I would help you up and walk you away from your shame on unsteady legs
Both yours and mine
I would sit with you again as you asked why
And I would have no answers
I would ask you why and your face would harden
And you would say that it was others that were to blame
And my face would harden
I would regret my mistake and wish the rope was real
You would say that you did too
We would stand side by side on the platform once again
Heavy rope around your neck
Cotton wool around mine
Cover my head I don’t want to watch you die.
Now you are dead and still your questions haunt me

[zan]

OH! By the way, you can lump me in with VP all day long I would consider myself in good company all the way. Your resentment of anything not Miltiades coming through again?

If any one had taken the time to findout, my choice of screen name, ZAN is Turkish for viewpoint or opinion:lol:

[Pete_D]

they were also in considerable danger of retaliatory action from the ground and air forces of their opponents, it took a degree of courage to venture into the areas of contention, sadly, this was not the case in the cowardly offensive against Iraq

Ah, so what you are saying is all the developments in technologies like stealth should be got rid of, because they are too cowardly.

Do you think the pilots in WW2 said "I tell you what, lads, it's a good job we haven't got technology to stop ourselves getting shot down, coz if we did have we wouldn't use it as that wouldn't be courageous enough".

There is a very fine line between being brave and being dead!
Go figure.....

[Viewpoint]

OH! By the way, you can lump me in with VP all day long I would consider myself in good company all the way. Your resentment of anything not Miltiades coming through again?

If any one had taken the time to findout, my choice of screen name, ZAN is Turkish for viewpoint or opinion:lol:

Thanks zan the feeling is mutual, would go into battle with you anyday. You have a great sense of humour to boot, keep posting.

[miltiades]

VP responded>
"""Thanks zan the feeling is mutual, would go into battle with you anyday. You have a great sense of humour to boot, keep posting. """
VP , of course you would go to battle with Zan , you both share the separatists non-Cypriot views , you are by choice foreigners in your own land , the difference between you two and I is that I'm a Cypriot and you are in denial of your identity . Ive expressed my wish to see a T/C President of Cyprus working for the Cypriots for the benefit of Cyprus , should a political party embrace all Cypriots. There is every possibility that an Armenian could be the next President of the RoC , maybe one day when philosophies such as yours are discarded in the waste bin where they belong. Neither of you have contributed one gram of constructive argument in unifying our Island. You are constantly wearing the blinkers and can not see further than your noses. Zan proudly produced an article by an Israeli claiming that only 20 thousand G/Cs became refugees (35 thousand T/Cs) as a result of the Invasion.
He was obviously not wearing his logic "hat" to contemplate posting such preposterous article, all in the cause of partition.
He has accused me of wanting to send him to the gas chambers comparing me to Hitler. Hitler passionately believed in the superiority of the German people. I believe in the total equality of Cypriots , I have dismissed majorities and minorities , based on ethnicity , and proclaimed time and time again the need to forget the past face the future and reunite for the sake of future generations. You have both been indoctrinated and mentally raped by your own propaganda, constantly highlighting your mistrust of the G/Cs and how you can not live with them in peace. You are a lost cause for Cyprus and you live in a fools paradise in nurturing ambitions of a separate statehood. Cyprus has been around for a few years now and is not for sale .It belongs to its people the The Cypriot people.

[zan]

VP responded>
"""Thanks zan the feeling is mutual, would go into battle with you anyday. You have a great sense of humour to boot, keep posting. """
VP , of course you would go to battle with Zan , you both share the separatists non-Cypriot views , you are by choice foreigners in your own land , the difference between you two and I is that I'm a Cypriot and you are in denial of your identity . Ive expressed my wish to see a T/C President of Cyprus working for the Cypriots for the benefit of Cyprus , should a political party embrace all Cypriots. There is every possibility that an Armenian could be the next President of the RoC , maybe one day when philosophies such as yours are discarded in the waste bin where they belong. Neither of you have contributed one gram of constructive argument in unifying our Island. You are constantly wearing the blinkers and can not see further than your noses. Zan proudly produced an article by an Israeli claiming that only 20 thousand G/Cs became refugees (35 thousand T/Cs) as a result of the Invasion.
He was obviously not wearing his logic "hat" to contemplate posting such preposterous article, all in the cause of partition.
He has accused me of wanting to send him to the gas chambers comparing me to Hitler. Hitler passionately believed in the superiority of the German people. I believe in the total equality of Cypriots , I have dismissed majorities and minorities , based on ethnicity , and proclaimed time and time again the need to forget the past face the future and reunite for the sake of future generations. You have both been indoctrinated and mentally raped by your own propaganda, constantly highlighting your mistrust of the G/Cs and how you can not live with them in peace. You are a lost cause for Cyprus and you live in a fools paradise in nurturing ambitions of a separate statehood. Cyprus has been around for a few years now and is not for sale .It belongs to its people the The Cypriot people.

And whom does Tpap represent? What does the RoC represent? How much have they done to promote me and mine? You want unity, unity with what. How many TCs are in the RoC football team or any other team for that matter? The Eurovision song is in two languages.....Greek and French, where is our sides represention. Your type of Cypriotness just wants Moslem Greeks. All the evidence points to that and you say we wear blinkers. I am beginning it think that you personally wish us to wear blinkers and you are lying about yours and our Cypriotness. When I see you on a rostrum screaming about representing Turkish Cypriots then I will change my mind but up until then talk is cheap.

[Viewpoint]

miltiades you are a "Cypriot" of the past and they will all die out in time, just look at your own youth they prefer partition to unification. The young generation on both sides are being raised in the current environment not the environment which you remember in the past and was not all that rosy for TCs anyway but that another argument all together. They will in time and with the current momentum realize that this tit for tat war is why we will never unite and become just Cypriots. You sit in the comfort of knowing that you are the numerically larger population so that unification will bring you the natural opportunity of assimilating TCs into your own community. Well I'm 100% certain that TCs do not want this and will not enter into any situation where they will feel at risk of losing the Turkishness for the sake of becoming a Cypriot which equates to being what the majority are Greek.

If you can create and show me a united Cyprus where my rights will be protected and that my future will not be purely in the hands of the GC majority then we may be able to move forward but your current pathetic attempt in the south bears no real relation to a multi-cultural free speaking society, all minorities are second class citizens and are treated as you treat your illegals with GCs as the masters. The mentality which lost you 37% of the island has not changed only the packaging the content is still the same, you only have to look as far as your ex eoka Turk hating leader.

[miltiades]

Zan , I understand you live in London , how about two Cypriots meeting for a drink , I think mrfromng , who is currently in Cyprus would love to join us.
I appreciated your poem , though my views on the subject you chose are well known, you obviously have written other poems lets have some more.

Your comments on the football side not having T/C are valid why not ? As for the Eurovision song why not ?
YES I will scream that this island of ours and yours should be promoted as such , belonging not to the majority or minority but to us , to you and me , but will never support any action that is contrary to the prospects of a unified Island. Will never support partition , union with a foreign country is anathema to all that I stand for , and I'm not alone.

[Pyrpolizer]

Saddam Hussein
by zan

Saddam Hussein


I would have made the rope from cotton wool
that was rapped around your neck
It would break without a sound
I would place a mattress for you to fall on
as you fell through the floor of the platform
I would shout "God bless" you as you realised that you were not dead
And I would sit with you and cry with you
I would put my arm around you and you would feel the love
that only another human beings touch can bring
I would give you water that you thought you would never taste again
and you would remember it until your dying day
I would help you up and walk you away from your shame on unsteady legs
Both yours and mine
I would sit with you again as you asked why
And I would have no answers
I would ask you why and your face would harden
And you would say that it was others that were to blame
And my face would harden
I would regret my mistake and wish the rope was real
You would say that you did too
We would stand side by side on the platform once again
Heavy rope around your neck
Cotton wool around mine
Cover my head I don’t want to watch you die.
Now you are dead and still your questions haunt me

I ‘ve seen a number of really precious posts from you that I feel oblidged to say thank you for sharing them with us.The above is one of them.

Too bad I don’t like your views on the Cyprob. I know you are the best friend with VP on your partitionist views, I wonder whether you ever considered if your motives are identical with those of VP.

On your little quarell with Miltiades I would say your supporting the staying of settlers on supposely "humanitarian" grounds without caring to support the return of GC refugees as if the GC refugees have less human rights in their own country than your settlers, makes you a hypocrite. A man with principles keeps the same principles on all occasions. He does not once use a cotton wool rope, then a real one, then interchanges the ropes on other people etc etc.

NB. Obviously this is not what you really wanted to say with your poem, I just used some parts of itto give you a clearer picture.