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[shahmaran]

First, we are only trying to make iraq a better place for thier people. is it so bad that we want the people themselves to have a say in thier governmant? that they should not live in fear and whisper about thier unhappiness for fear of saddams people coming in to kill and torture them? is it wrong to help thier women be treated more as equals and not as property or second class citizens? it is not as if we are trying to take thier religious beliefs from them. and if thier religious beliefs dictate that women should not be allowed to read and write, or vote, then it is time thye come out of thier "wild west" mode and realize this is a new millenium.
the iraqi's say they did not see violence under saddam's rule???? HARD TO BELIEVE! they lived in fear, and no one should live that way!
all way is viewed as EVIL to someone, Eliko. and the deaths incurred are unfortunate. but it is all for the better of the people, and history will write that chapter decades from now. who is to say what that chapter will say, but i have a feeling it is all for the betterment of the iraqi people.
the war in iraq is over.
we are helping them rebuild.

Ridiculous!!

You are basically repeating eveything that Bush and Blair have said in their speeches in order to convince the World that their decisions are justified, they are basically manipulating the good in people, to do the worst to them!

You claim that the American peopole want whats good for the Iraqis, I find it extremely hard to believe that Bush puts Iraqi people before his own interests, leave that incompetent dick monkey to one side, i bet there is not a single American soldier who wants to even be there, let alone risk their lives to help some Iraqis, and i am even more certain that there is not a single American who one day geniunly thought "hey fellows, i think its time we go help those poor Iraqis". Unless ofcourse helping them would mean you can gain plenty from the situatoin, it is impossible to believe that any country can be so altruistic, specially the biggest capitalist nation in the world!

NO ONE in their right mind has the right to decide who should die and who should live, even if its for their own good! This is the exact kind of sickening and blind attitude that would push people into becoming suicide bombers, it pushes them to desperation, America is fueling it and you are supporting it!

[shahmaran]

You are surely not suggesting that the daily murders committed by one fraction of Iraqis against the other are "sacrifices "
I'm flabbergasted to see such absurd phraesology by a person that appears on the surface to have had a certain level of education.
Your interpretation of the savage killings in markets , in busy shopping centres , at places of worship, leaves me stunned .

How would you interpret it Miltiades, because im seriously dying to know!

[GorillaGal]

have to agree with miltiades on that one.

[miltiades]

SHAHMARAN WROTE:

"""""NO ONE in their right mind has the right to decide who should die and who should live, even if its for their own good! This is the exact kind of sickening and blind attitude that would push people into becoming suicide bombers, it pushes them to desperation, America is fueling it and you are supporting it!""""

Go tell that to the barbarians killing each other daily.

[Eliko]

GorillaGal, I am sorry to tell you that you are no spokeswoman for your country, you state that you are not trying to take the Iraqi's religious beliefs from them and bolster your comment by adding one which negates it, or do you suggest they should mould them to suit your own concept of respectability?.
Have we not established that the people of that country wish to distance themselves from your idea of 'culture'?.
'Mission accomplished' 'eh, some mission, some accomplishment.
Helping to re-build?, how so when we see daily examples of destruction throughout the country?.
Betterment of the Iraqi people?, they were a thousand times better than your people for generations prior to the founding of your nation, an ancient civilisation which could teach you much if you took the time to study it.
I think you should read a little more before tendering your hollow opinions my dear. X

[GorillaGal]

and human sacrifices should be allowed to continue? that is EXACTLY what is happening with these people that go into public areas with bombs strapped to them and kill more than just themselves. is that ok in your book, eliko?

[shahmaran]

SHAHMARAN WROTE:

"""""NO ONE in their right mind has the right to decide who should die and who should live, even if its for their own good! This is the exact kind of sickening and blind attitude that would push people into becoming suicide bombers, it pushes them to desperation, America is fueling it and you are supporting it!""""

Go tell that to the barbarians killing each other daily.

Thats exactly the kind of so called "interpretation" i was expecting from you Miltiades. Are you fascist by any chance? What gives you the rights to intervene other peoples business and tell them that the killing they are suffering at the moment is for their own good and future!

Thats very VERY sick and twisted.

Specially when its coming from the other side of the globe...

[GorillaGal]

no, shahmaran, it is sick and twisted to watch these iraqi's kill each other, and not do anything about it.

[shahmaran]

and human sacrifices should be allowed to continue? that is EXACTLY what is happening with these people that go into public areas with bombs strapped to them and kill more than just themselves. is that ok in your book, eliko?

that is occuring EXACTLY because of YOUR presence there, is that really hard to see?

You thought you were soo great, walked in there with your flashy guns and technology, opened up a can of worms and realized that you have actually got yourself into a mess that you cannot deal with.

Saddam was evil yes, but they did not see any violence of this sort under his regime, they say it themselves, Iraq was a lot more peacefull before America invaded AND you want to turn them into a capitalist shit hole like America, when these people have a history that goes so far back in time, even older than the Greeks and the Egyptians, but only you and people like Miltiades would so arrogantly see them as barbarians...

[Eliko]

GorillaGal, I certainly do not sanction such behaviour, the question is, 'Why' do those people resort to such acts?, the situation in Iraq is a direct result of your country's cowardly attack on that nation, you are dealing with a race of people who have different concepts to your own or mine, I would not personally lend myself to the idea of such an act, others would, it is an interesting topic for discussion if you have the intelligence to perceive the fact that those who do so feel driven to it since there appears to be no alternative.