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[G.Man]

"Back in 1997 and 1998 I publicly spoke out against the actions of the Clinton Administration, which I believed was moving us once again toward war with Iraq. I believe the genesis of our current policy was unfortunately being set at that time. Indeed, many of the same voices who then demanded that the Clinton Administration attack Iraq are now demanding that the Bush Administration attack Iraq. It is unfortunate that these individuals are using the tragedy of September 11, 2001 as cover to force their long-standing desire to see an American invasion of Iraq. Despite all of the information to which I have access, I remain very skeptical that the nation of Iraq poses a serious and immanent terrorist threat to the United States. If I were convinced of such a threat I would support going to war, as I did when I supported President Bush by voting to give him both the authority and the necessary funding to fight the war on terror"

From:http://www.blogtext.org/andy/article/9504.html

i can't get to this link to read it, but i do see it's a blog. a blog! for god's sake, i have a blog! anyone can write a blog. doesn't mean it's worth reading.

Oh dear Gorilla Gal...

It may be a blog, but its a transcript of Ron Paul's address to the house of representatives... video here http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ron+paul&hl=en

I see you are as good at your home countries politics as you are elsewhere..

[Eliko]

G.Man, thank you for drawing attention to the videos available, perhaps others may avail themselves of the opportunity to view them and produce some intelligent responses, (there is no harm in hoping!)

[miltiades]

Eliko , there is absolutely no point in engaging further with yourself on matters relating to International political realities since your following statement highlights your total naivety on such matters.

"""Consider this small fact miltiades, president Bush stated that the U.S.A. would not tolerate a Middle Eastern country with nuclear capability, so where does that leave Israel ?, can you justify that situation ?. """"

You dare compare a democratic nation , the only one in the M.East ,that poses no threat to the Western world , with a theocratic and fanatical regime that has as its agenda the annihilation of the State of Israel. your intense hatred of America , the nation that provided the land of opportunity to the entire world , the nation that saved Europe from the Nazis and rebuild Europe after the war , is evident in all of your posts and in line with the symptoms that one expects to see from all G/Cs who do not see the importance of forging a strong alliance with those nations that can be instrumental in bringing about a viable solution to our problems. Your views are merely those held by the people of Greece and by the sheep of this world who simply join forces with the anti-American brigade in order to be close to the flock . The idea that Americans are thick and fools is a paradox. Here we have the most powerful and richer nation on earth with the world's most successful industries , with people from all over the world jostling to become part of the American dream and You and the Hellenes call them fools !! Wake up to realities. We need Iran becoming Nuclear like a hole in the head , what we need is America to stop them before it becomes to late for our region, and the world. A nation that has stoning by death as a death penalty , that prohibits freedom of speech , freedom of religious faith , with thousands of its people becoming immigrants in search of a better life in the West , and you consider this nation suitable or rather comparable to Israel in terms of responsible nuclear acquisition.

Yes you are absolutely correct I'm not a politician I'm a business man , politics is what I enjoy and at the age of 60 I have seen a great deal of the world of politics. I know that a nation has an undeniable right to look after the interests of its people and the interests of the nation as a whole .For a tiny island in the Mediterranean to be once referred to as the Cuba of the Mediterranean is not conducive to the interests of the people , to continue the indoctrination and the one sided support of the enemies of America is tantamount to political suicide. The Cypriot intellectuals are greatly at fault in not being able to see dangers of such a position.

[alexISS]

As a mainland Greek I would like to clear things up about the feelings Greeks have for the USA. The entire Greek nation always had feelings of gratitude for the help the Americans provided to Greece after World War II. Things changed after the US government imposed the military junta on the Greek people in 1967 to make sure they had an ally in Greece during the cold war. If anyone doubts the "amerikanikos daktylos" in the Junta case, he should know that Clinton himself apologized for it
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=18938
I believe most people know the impact this US sponsored "government" had on Cyprus too. But even after those events, Greeks are not blindly set against the US. Nobody was against the first war in Iraq, that shouldn't mean that the second war was justified.
There is, however, a clear distinction between the Greek people's feelings towards the American government and the American people. The American culture is accepted and embraced in Greece as in all the western world

[tessintrnc]

The mess created in Iraq shows that one country cannot impose their values and politics on another. I don't believe for one minute that the US give a damn about the Iraqi people they just want the oil. A far larger scale of genocide was committed in Rwanda but there was no US to the rescue then was there? Have more people died under the US "freedom" in Iraq than under Sadam's rule? I hope that world acts against the US in the form of sanctions and take Bush to court for war crimes gainst humanity, it was an aggressive invasion of a weaker country - something the UN is supposed to be against isnt it?
Tess

[Eliko]

Up on your high horse again miltiades, I have never said I hated America and I do not particularly hate anyone, what I have said is that I can understand the aversion others feel for American ideals, in order to hold a balanced view on the world situation one must take on board the opinions of others, it is quite pointless to continually be on the defensive when faced with overwhelming evidence contrary to your own position, I am trying to help you to reach a point where you can appreciate the concerns of the ordinary people of the world, I do not refer to them as 'peasants', nor do I offer insult to their lack of education.

Regardless of my own nationality or political persuasions I merely stress that something is very wrong with the situation world-wide right now, there are millions of people who regard America as a source of evil, there are also millions who hold an alternative view, the purpose of these discussions is to establish the validity of each others opinion on the matter.

My view is that the American system has been shown in a very bad light,(particularly since 9/11), it has now come to a point where we all have access to proof positive of a great deal of damning information which substantiates the claims of decadence voiced by those of opposing views to your own, miltiades, will you not consider these other views ?, at least look at the evidence, if you can honestly re-iterate what you have said before, you will have the distinction of being absolutely inflexible, a very lonely post to hold, if you continue to condemn that which you have no knowledge of, you earn an even greater distinction, beware miltiades, lest you become a lost soul in the wilderness of ignorance, look at the link I beg you sir.

[pantheman]

The mess created in Iraq shows that one country cannot impose their values and politics on another. I don't believe for one minute that the US give a damn about the Iraqi people they just want the oil. A far larger scale of genocide was committed in Rwanda but there was no US to the rescue then was there? Have more people died under the US "freedom" in Iraq than under Sadam's rule? I hope that world acts against the US in the form of sanctions and take Bush to court for war crimes gainst humanity, it was an aggressive invasion of a weaker country - something the UN is supposed to be against isnt it?Tess

Tess quite true, but isn't it ironic coming from Tessin trnc cyprus was also invaded by a stronger country - Turkey, yet you have the cheek to live in this stolen land and then have the cheek to condemn it. Make up your mind !

The UN stands for Jack shit and the US even more.

Idiot.

Pantheman.

Miltiades - I have to say it, i cannot contain myself anymore, you usually speak alot of sense, but i, for the life of me cannot understand your obsession and love for the USA. Therefore, i can only draw my own conclusions which are :

1. There is some financial gain for you to be very pro usa

or

2. you must get some sexual gratification each time you speak their name.

I'm sick of hearing it. The rest of the world is wrong and miltiades is right. God damn it, even the americans themselves hate the things their country have done, but oh no, for miltiades they can do no wrong.

Go read the god damn link and then answer eliko.

[GorillaGal]

pantherman,
not everything is about money and sex. maybe in your life, that's what it is, but not necessarily in others.
furthermore, have you ever been to the UN? do you have any idea what the UN does? if you did, you would not be talking crap about it.
have a little respect, will you.

[shahmaran]

Tess quite true, but isn't it ironic coming from Tessin trnc cyprus was also invaded by a stronger country - Turkey, yet you have the cheek to live in this stolen land and then have the cheek to condemn it. Make up your mind !

The UN stands for Jack shit and the US even more.

Idiot.

Pantheman.

Turkey had every right and reason to move in, USA does not have any right nor any reason to move in with false accusations of chemical weapons which they never found, invovlement with Al Qaeda which they never proved, to simply remove a tyrant that came into power with the US help in the first place, you have to be a total IDIOT if you cant spot the irony!

And i believe the UN was against it, but US couldnt wait for the "smoking gun that would come as a mushroom cloud" i believe, and Bush just could not wait to get in there and get the "evil doers"... very respectfull country

US, yet again, has got a lot more then they bargained for and opened up a can of worms, many Iraqis prefered to be under Saddams evil regime then the so called "democracy" they are in right now...

[GorillaGal]

wait Shahmaran--please enlighten me, as i have only the gc point of view....and i want to know both sides. WHY did Turkey have every reason to move in?