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[shahmaran]

This reminds me of white man encountering natives for the first time and calling them savages before destroying them, only to realize how stupid we were many years later. As technologically advanced as we are, we will enver ever be able to live as spiritual and in tune with nature as they had done.

America is the prime example of the extreme opposite of such culture.

They are basically bunch of kids with big guns trying to teach ancient civilisations how to live and unfortunately these actions will never fill the void you have on your culture and history.

[miltiades]

So the Sunnis killing the Shiites and visa verse is just a figment of our imagination elections that took place a a government was elected is also a figment of our run away imagination. The daily massacres are as a direct result of the immense hatred that they nurture for each other , remember that the Sunnis consider the Shiites worst than the infidels.
Don't you think the Americans want to get out and hand the Iraqi government responsibility for security , do you believe that they are there for longer than necessary?

On another matter closer at home can you , hand on your heart , tell me in which of my posts did I say anything inflammatory regarding either the G/Cs or the T/Cs. I have maintained all along that I'm a Cypriot first and foremost and that I consider you and all other Cypriots as my compatriots. You have been influenced adversely by the rejectionists and the G/C haters , VP and Zan. Remember when I remonstrated with VP I called him as thick as two planks of wood. He responded by calling me a G/C piece of shit !! I would never ever dream of calling my Cypriot brothers G/C turds or T/C shit , that is a racist remark and an insult to all Cypriots. I suggest you get to know a few G/Cs , there many bastards around as indeed there are in many societies , but on the whole they are peace loving , hardworking family people just like the T/Cs and I know hundreds of them. Your new to the forum and have not seen some of my earliest posts and clashes with bigots , most of them G/Cs
and my staunch defence even of VP when someone insulted him.
I find suddenly that the 3 of you , perhaps 4 if I include Eliko , are throwing accusations against my integrity , such accusations I shall simply ignore by the nature of my commitment to a statement I made earlier in which I said , I shall not disassociate my self from something with which I have never been associated with.

[shahmaran]

Miltiades there are many ways to play a song with the same instrument, so if your claims are true, then why dont you support your TC brothers and let us be recognized, so we can sort ourselves out, and then talk about unification?

why is that so hard?

You have provocated VP into insulting you by insulting him, you have done it to me too, and if you dont want to be insulted then dont insult people its simple, there is no point in beating about the bush about whos insult was more hurtfull or unjustified, its childish.

If you smack people, most of the time you will get punched! We are not christians

[miltiades]

Shah wrote:
""""why dont you support your TC brothers and let us be recognized, so we can sort ourselves out, and then talk about unification? """"


But of course I support and I recognise my T/C brothers and sisters as equal partners in our Cyprus , but if you are asking me to accept and support the "trnc" as a nation separate from Cyprus then of course my answer is a loud NO. There is only one Cyprus and it belongs equally to all Cyprus , 100 % is yours as much as it is mine. Bir and Kikapu would have no problem living in a Cyprus co owned by all of us. No G/C is worth a dime if he considers that the island of Cyprus belongs only to one side. Miltiades has all along supported one island one people , CYPRIOTS . I have argued with Greeks and Turks I have told both to piss off to their respective motherlands , AND NO DOUBT I SHALL DO SO AGAIN AND AGAIN , and leave us in peace , us the CYPRIOTS.
I have not one drop of hatred in my heart for T/Cs , not being a believer I will not swear on the bible or any other religious sanctimony but I do swear on my mothers grave .
What you have to understand is that I know so many T/Cs here in the UK , the nature of my business means a daily contact with Cypriots , have been to their houses , have socialised , have argued but have got to know them for what they are , a bloody nice lot of Cypriots who want exactly what I want out of life. You should try interacting with some G/Cs , but of course if you follow into the footsteps of VP and Zan you will never get the chance , since both of them have already decided that the G/Cs are their sworn enemies so , as Zan said in refusing my invitation for a drink , what is the point . The point is he would have met T/Cs whom I have known for over 30 years and they have known me well enough to speak in an unbiased way of my long term commitment to Cyprus and all our people.

[shahmaran]

Fair enough Miltiades, but if we are going according to the people we know and met, then i actually live with TCs and have a LOT of friends from the surroinding villages, and due to the nature of my job in the TRNC i do meet a lot of GCs, and i still hold totally different views.

Except the hatred part, i do not hate any nation, but i do dislike a lot of the people i meet from the south simply because of their preconcerted views on us, and i can tell you none of them come accross as haters, they all come smiling these days...

[cypezokyli]

WASHINGTON: Throngs of protesters converged on the National Mall to oppose President George W. Bush's plan for a troop increase in Iraq in what organizers hoped would be one of the largest shows of antiwar sentiment in the nation's capital since the war began.

The event Saturday drew tens of thousands of demonstrators from across the country, and many said that in addition to taking their discontent to the streets they planned to press members of Congress to oppose the war.

"When we voted it was a directive to bring our troops home now," said the Reverend Graylan Hagler of Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ in Washington, referring to the November elections when Democrats won control of Congress.

"I grew up during the Vietnam War, but I never protested it and never had my lottery number called to go fight," said David Quinly, a 54-year-old carpenter from Prairie Village, Kansas, who arrived here Friday night with about 50 others after a 23-hour bus ride.

"In my view, this one is a war of choice and a war for profit against a culture and people we don't understand," Quinly said. "I knew I had to speak up this time."

Tassi McKee, from Bastrop, Louisiana, who said she was a staff sergeant in the Air Force, was among a small contingent of about 20 active-duty service members who turned out.

"I believe this has become a civil war and we are being hurt and making matters worse by staying in the middle of it," McKee said.

She said that it was not illegal for active-duty members to attend protests but that it was strongly discouraged.

Veterans were more numerous among the crowd.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/28/news/protest.php

[GorillaGal]

and human sacrifices should be allowed to continue? that is EXACTLY what is happening with these people that go into public areas with bombs strapped to them and kill more than just themselves. is that ok in your book, eliko?

that is occuring EXACTLY because of YOUR presence there, is that really hard to see?

You thought you were soo great, walked in there with your flashy guns and technology, opened up a can of worms and realized that you have actually got yourself into a mess that you cannot deal with.

Saddam was evil yes, but they did not see any violence of this sort under his regime, they say it themselves, Iraq was a lot more peacefull before America invaded AND you want to turn them into a capitalist shit hole like America, when these people have a history that goes so far back in time, even older than the Greeks and the Egyptians, but only you and people like Miltiades would so arrogantly see them as barbarians...

didn't you read the papers yesterday, or watch the news? 88 people died in iraq due to suicided bombers. none of them were aimed at americans. and this has been going on for quiet some time, way before the evens of 9-11 or our attacking iraq. get real, shahmaran. stop blaming everything on the americans.

[shahmaran]

GG i read the papers EVERYDAY, that wasnt even the biggest suicide attack there so far, it happens pretty much every other day, and i dont blame everything on Americans, only when she causes conflicts for national interests and is to be blamed for MANY innocent deaths, which seems to happen a lot lately.

Dont you understand that you have no right to be there?! there are people killing each other everywhere, are you going to go after all of them to spread the love and freedom or are you just going to stick to the ones who are sitting on plenty of oil?

NOBODY aggrees with Bush not even most of your own nation, so i think there is only one person here who needs to get REAL and thats not me. I think you are on this debate not because you have any REAL perspective on the subject, but simply because it touches your patriotic nerve and you feel like you should say something.

[GorillaGal]

hell yeah, it strikes a patriotic nerve.
i don't support my president, along with the majority of the nation, for the past 6 years. in fact, it took me at least 3 years before i could even refer to him as a president. prior to that, he was a "self-appointed czar" in my book.
granted, we have enough problems in our own country that need to be solved before we should go about policing other countries.
understandabley, i want our troops home. but not until they accomplish what they set out to do, which is to set up a government for a society that has been living in the dark ages. perhaps it is not our duty to do so, but watching them blow each otehr up is about as heart warming as watching the jews, gays and other minorities, starve to death in auschwitz.

[growuptcs]

Only small time minds, and people with no future or ambitions always point the finger at Americans. Those same people are trapped in their own demonic worlds. I think sham, if you get out of the house more and enjoy the fruits of your society, you wouldn't be so negative. Denial is a lonely world to live in. Truth to the matter is, I do feel bad for you for the kind of person you really are. After I get off this site, your still the same miserable person no one wants to be around in a civilized world.