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[Kifeas]

So , at last we have the confirmation that we all wanted to have , the myth that T/Cs and G/Cs can not live together as Cypriot compatriots has been laid to rest. Not one single Cypriot lost his life as a result of intercommunal conflict NINE years before Turkey CAME TO THE RESCUE !!! Amazing here was a section of the Cypriot community being annihilated by the murderous G/Cs -WHO WERE OBVIOUSLY NOT THAT EFFICIENT SINCE NO ONE WAS KILLED FOR FUCKING 9 , YES 9 FUCKING YEARS NO SOD LOST HIS LIFE and yet BRAINS tells us that Turkey had to intervene to put an end to the NON EXISTENT holocaust !!! British participants , foreign nationals take note. NOT ONE CYPRIOT LOST HIS LIFE OR HIS BULLUUUUUUUCKS 9 YEARS PRIOR TO THE TURKISH INVASION !!

No Miltiades, it was not 9 years but 8 years! Since 1967.

The so called genocide, between 1964-1967, resulted in the death of some 750 TCs (and some 350-400 GCs,) according to the accounts of Patrick, R. A. "Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict, 1963-1971." This was the genocide they talk about, the same people that deny the Armenian genocide that caused the loss of lives of more than a million Armenians in an even shorter period.

PS: I managed to culculate on a computer program (Global Mapper) the area that the enclaves and other TC villages outside the enclaves in which TCs did not abandone them, were occupying before 1974. It was 1517 sq. Kms or some 16.4% percent of the area of Cyprus.

[zan]

Have a read Militiades. No deaths? Maybe maybe not. Living together in harmony.........dont make me laugh.


http://web.deu.edu.tr/kibris/history/6474.html


Yes it is a Turkish site....so what.

[miltiades]

Zan , I can see now clearly how brainwashed you and VP are . The link you provided , apart from being utterly misleading - it states that over 100 mosques were burned !! - WHERE , WHEN ? As for the photograph of the children claiming that they as well as their families were massacred in 1974 , I presume it means after the invasion , although the article gives the impression that in order to stop these massacres Turkey had to intervene.
Are there any evidence that these children and their families were massacred . evidence provided by independent sources , no Raulf , also any evidence on the 100 or so mosques burned ?
It is abundantly clear that the policy of the T/C leadership at the time was for partition. The policies today appear to sadly be the same. Propaganda to excuse the invasion and present the G/Cs as the oppressors and the obstacle to a solution , in fact it appears clearly that the main obstacle is the foreign mentality of Cypriots , T/Cs and G/Cs.
Particular attention must be paid to the following part of the article :

"""""Had Turkey not acted this time, this annihilation would have been extended to the rest of the Turkish Cypriot Community in Cyprus. Thus the Turkish Army clearly averted a wholesale genocide of the entire Turkish community. """"

WE ALLREADY ESTABLISHED THAT NOT ONE SINGLE T/C WAS KILLED 9 ( KIFEAS SAYS 8 ) YEARS PRIOR TO TURKEY INVADING. The article states that Turkey had to intervene to avert a genocide that included NONE KILLED 8 YEARS PRIOR TO TAKING SUCH ACTION.
Have never encountered such blatantly unsophisticated propaganda aimed at the less intelligent amongst us , but You Zan an intelligent guy , read between the lines and draw your own conclusion.

""""These happy children once attending the joint primary school of Murataga (Maratha), Sandallar (Sandallaris) and Atlilar (Aloa) in Famagusta Area do not live any more. They were massacred, with their families, by Greek Cypriot armed elements and buried into mass-graves in 1974. Had Turkey not acted this time, this annihilation would have been extended to the rest of the Turkish Cypriot Community in Cyprus. Thus the Turkish Army clearly averted a wholesale genocide of the entire Turkish community. """"

Yes the Turkish army averted a genocide involving not one single T/C 8 or 9 years prior to the invasion.
And you believe that then you also believe that there was no Armenian genocide , a mere figment of the imagination of the entire world .

[Viewpoint]

Everyone conveniently forgets that Turkeys intervention was due to a culmination of events. It was these factors which built up over time the fear for TC lives came to a head with the coup to unite Cyprus with Greece, allowing Turkey under its guarantor rights to finally put an end to TC suffering at the hands of GCs and their dreams for a purely Hellenic island. The percentages and numbers are history and you can argue them until the cows come home. The number of deaths and the amount of land TCs were squeezed into do not change the outcome and what you shoudl relaly ask yourselves is do you really believe that if there was democracy, human rights and freedom for all that the TCs would have wanted Turkeys help? It was the great failure of the numerically larger and stronger GCs community to adopt and promote "Cypriotism" ensuring TCs were made to feel part of this country and not fuel and pursue hidden agendas of giving Cyprus to Greece therefore causing an automatic rebellion from TCs who clearly do not want to become Greek in any shape or form and fought nail and tooth to stay as Cyprus.

Even now in 2007 the politics of keeping TCs isolated is no different from those of the 60s for which GCs should be ashamed of but they still amaze me in that they make excuses to warrant TCs not even having their own direct postal address. That is how European your minds are, you may say well you have our properties yes you are right (please note that 90% of TCs are willing to return them anytime a solution is found) but you have ours and even there you have put up so many obstacles that we are unable to reclaim them. So when GCs claim to want to share and build a united Cyprus their current actions do not justify this and no TCs would be stupid enough to throw their future into risk unless they are certain that a life united will be better than one divided. Food for thought....

[Viewpoint]

Zan , I can see now clearly how brainwashed you and VP are . The link you provided , apart from being utterly misleading - it states that over 100 mosques were burned !! - WHERE , WHEN ? As for the photograph of the children claiming that they as well as their families were massacred in 1974 , I presume it means after the invasion , although the article gives the impression that in order to stop these massacres Turkey had to intervene.
Are there any evidence that these children and their families were massacred . evidence provided by independent sources , no Raulf , also any evidence on the 100 or so mosques burned ?
It is abundantly clear that the policy of the T/C leadership at the time was for partition. The policies today appear to sadly be the same. Propaganda to excuse the invasion and present the G/Cs as the oppressors and the obstacle to a solution , in fact it appears clearly that the main obstacle is the foreign mentality of Cypriots , T/Cs and G/Cs.
Particular attention must be paid to the following part of the article :

"""""Had Turkey not acted this time, this annihilation would have been extended to the rest of the Turkish Cypriot Community in Cyprus. Thus the Turkish Army clearly averted a wholesale genocide of the entire Turkish community. """"

WE ALLREADY ESTABLISHED THAT NOT ONE SINGLE T/C WAS KILLED 9 ( KIFEAS SAYS 8 ) YEARS PRIOR TO TURKEY INVADING. The article states that Turkey had to intervene to avert a genocide that included NONE KILLED 8 YEARS PRIOR TO TAKING SUCH ACTION.
Have never encountered such blatantly unsophisticated propaganda aimed at the less intelligent amongst us , but You Zan an intelligent guy , read between the lines and draw your own conclusion.

""""These happy children once attending the joint primary school of Murataga (Maratha), Sandallar (Sandallaris) and Atlilar (Aloa) in Famagusta Area do not live any more. They were massacred, with their families, by Greek Cypriot armed elements and buried into mass-graves in 1974. Had Turkey not acted this time, this annihilation would have been extended to the rest of the Turkish Cypriot Community in Cyprus. Thus the Turkish Army clearly averted a wholesale genocide of the entire Turkish community. """"

Yes the Turkish army averted a genocide involving not one single T/C 8 or 9 years prior to the invasion.
And you believe that then you also believe that there was no Armenian genocide , a mere figment of the imagination of the entire world .

You really need help as you are in total denial, you will next claim that Cyprus was a 5 star holiday camp for TCs during those years. You need to talk to those who actually lived with GCs during those dark years, while they are alive to understand their side of the story not the official GC crap you want to believe.

[miltiades]

VP , it is not often that we share a platform but I endorse your comments below unreservedly.

"""It was the great failure of the numerically larger and stronger GCs community to adopt and promote "Cypriotism" ensuring TCs were made to feel part of this country and not fuel and pursue hidden agendas of giving Cyprus to Greece therefore causing an automatic rebellion from TCs ""

[zan]

I really do despair with you militiades. With your recent posts I can only assume that you have an agenda and the unification of the Cypriot people is not it.

Did the coup happen or not. Did the world press report it or not.

The goal of the Greek Cypriot leadership under Makarios was to force all Turkish Cypriots off of the island. However, the pace at which Makarios was going to rid Cyprus of Turkish Cypriots was not fast enough for some. This led to the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrowing Makarios in a coup d'יtat on July 15, 1974. From this point on, things would go from bad to worse. Under the leadership of Nicos Sampson, the speed of the genocide would get accelerated. By the end of the month, the Wash Star was reporting that "bodies littered the streets and that there were mass burials."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/10184.htm

[miltiades]

Thanks for the link Zan , this is part of the text , need I SAY MORE !!!

""""Not all Greek Cypriots were displaced during this time period and it is not like many Turkish Cypriots weren't displaced as well. According to a report from the United States Senate, 20,000 Greek Cypriots were forced to move from Northern to Southern Cyprus, while 34,000 Turkish Cypriots were forced to move from Southern Cyprus to Northern Cyprus. Although it is true that there were 194,400 Greek Cypriot refugees in Southern Cyprus, this was the result of the Greek coup d'יtat and not the Turkish intervention. """

What absolute rubbish !! 194,400 G/C refugees as a result of the coup d'tat !!! Is this guy Kosher ??

My agenda Zan is to dispel myths that our two communities can not live in harmony .Fanatics have caused immense damage to our island and none more than the "motherland " aficionados .We can live in peace together just as our grand parents did. I have not one iota of hatred towards my people T/Cs , G/Cs and all Cypriots , but I detest those that want to give our island away to foreign nations. I suggest again that those whose allegiance is to foreign countries to do us a favour and go join them.

[zan]

Thanks for the link Zan , this is part of the text , need I SAY MORE !!!

""""Not all Greek Cypriots were displaced during this time period and it is not like many Turkish Cypriots weren't displaced as well. According to a report from the United States Senate, 20,000 Greek Cypriots were forced to move from Northern to Southern Cyprus, while 34,000 Turkish Cypriots were forced to move from Southern Cyprus to Northern Cyprus. Although it is true that there were 194,400 Greek Cypriot refugees in Southern Cyprus, this was the result of the Greek coup d'יtat and not the Turkish intervention. """

What absolute rubbish !! 194,400 G/C refugees as a result of the coup d'tat !!! Is this guy Kosher ??

My agenda Zan is to dispel myths that our two communities can not live in harmony .Fanatics have caused immense damage to our island and none more than the "motherland " aficionados .We can live in peace together just as our grand parents did. I have not one iota of hatred towards my people T/Cs , G/Cs and all Cypriots , but I detest those that want to give our island away to foreign nations. I suggest again that those whose allegiance is to foreign countries to do us a favour and go join them.

You just simply dismiss and provide no proof. The numbers can always be disputed but taking the essence is the important thing and it is as silly as taking someone’s post on this forum and dismissing the whole thing because of a typo. It is because of this mentality that we do not want to be your kind of Cypriot and for your information will not be going anywhere and are happy within our own TRNC/KKTC.