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[Viewpoint]

Having received your acceptance of the fact that no T/C or G/C was killed NINE YEARS BEFORE THE TURKISH INVASION, I rest my case.

So no Jews being killed from 1946 to 1955 doesn't mean there was no holocaust, get real the events from 1960 to 1974 shaped what happened in Cyprus, you are in denial and still live in the Cyprus of the past where everyone got along as long as you were GC.

[zan]

Sure mosquito boy.
25,000 are one fifth of 120,000.
Therefore 4/5ths of the TCs were NOT in enclaves. Therefore the claim that the TCs were squeezed in 3% of the land ALL living in enclaves is A LIE.

Having trouble with your maths again pyro. No one said that the whole of the 3% were enclaves. You see and read what you want to read and and cannot even make them stop long enough in your tiny mind to make sense of anything.


Mosquito boy....another good one.

[Kifeas]

Even Turkish sources say that only 25,000 TCs were living in enclaves. This brakes down the myth that the TCs were living concentrated in 3% of Cyprus before 1974.

All that says is that the ones that were living elsewhere were forced in with the others in the 3% that we had left and nothing else.

The myth which maintains that the TCs were "forced" to live in 3% of the land is total rubbish. Only the enclave of North Nicosia /Ortakoy /Kioneli /Agirta /Templos was by itself more than 3% of the Cyprus territory, and this was just one of the areas which the TCs had in its entire control as an "enclave." Of course, if one considers only the residential areas of Cyprus, i.e. the areas that villages and towns occupy, out of the total area of the country, then towns and villages do not occupy more than 12-13% of the territory. The rest is of the territory is just countryside, forests and fields. In that respect, then it makes sense that the TCs were living in 3% of the land, because that is the area that is occupied by their towns and villages, out of the 12-13% that the total population was occupying. This however doesn't mean that these were the only areas that the TCs had under their control before 1974.

Bellow is a clickable map of Cyprus that shows with different colours the village areas that were inhabited by the two communities. Dark blue was exclusively GCs, light blue predominately GCs, dark red exclusively TCs and light red predominately TCs. Almost all the village areas that are marked with dark red and light red, remained under the control of the TC community, from 1964 until 1974, and formed the so-called enclaves. TCs were moved mainly out of mixed villages with a predominately GC population. If one calculates all the dark and light red areas of the map, will realise that these areas are almost as much as 18% of Cyprus' territory, and definitely way more than the 3% that the Turkish side claims for propaganda purposes.

[Viewpoint]

Even Turkish sources say that only 25,000 TCs were living in enclaves. This brakes down the myth that the TCs were living concentrated in 3% of Cyprus before 1974.

All that says is that the ones that were living elsewhere were forced in with the others in the 3% that we had left and nothing else.

The myth which maintains that the TCs were "forced" to live in 3% of the land is total rubbish. Only the enclave of North Nicosia /Ortakoy /Kioneli /Agirta /Templos was by itself more than 3% of the Cyprus territory, and this was just one of the areas which the TCs had in its entire control as an "enclave." Of course, if one considers only the residential areas of Cyprus, i.e. the areas that villages and towns occupy, out of the total area of the country, then towns and villages do not occupy more than 12-13% of the territory. The rest is of the territory is just countryside, forests and fields. In that respect, then it makes sense that the TCs were living in 3% of the land, because that is the area that is occupied by their towns and villages, out of the 12-13% that the total population was occupying. This however doesn't mean that these were the only areas that the TCs had under their control before 1974.

Bellow is a clickable map of Cyprus that shows with different colours the village areas that were inhabited by the two communities. Dark blue was exclusively GCs, light blue predominately GCs, dark red exclusively TCs and light red predominately TCs. Almost all the village areas that are marked with dark red and light red, remained under the control of the TC community, from 1964 until 1974, and formed the so-called enclaves. TCs were moved mainly out of mixed villages with a predominately GC population. If one calculates all the dark and light red areas of the map, will realise that these areas are almost as much as 18% of Cyprus' territory, and definitely way more than the 3% that the Turkish side claims for propaganda purposes.

The map is dated 1960, when did the troubles start 63 wasnt it? another myth hits the dust, tut tut tut.

[zan]

Even Turkish sources say that only 25,000 TCs were living in enclaves. This brakes down the myth that the TCs were living concentrated in 3% of Cyprus before 1974.

All that says is that the ones that were living elsewhere were forced in with the others in the 3% that we had left and nothing else.

The myth which maintains that the TCs were "forced" to live in 3% of the land is total rubbish. Only the enclave of North Nicosia /Ortakoy /Kioneli /Agirta /Templos was by itself more than 3% of the Cyprus territory, and this was just one of the areas which the TCs had in its entire control as an "enclave." Of course, if one considers only the residential areas of Cyprus, i.e. the areas that villages and towns occupy, out of the total area of the country, then towns and villages do not occupy more than 12-13% of the territory. The rest is of the territory is just countryside, forests and fields. In that respect, then it makes sense that the TCs were living in 3% of the land, because that is the area that is occupied by their towns and villages, out of the 12-13% that the total population was occupying. This however doesn't mean that these were the only areas that the TCs had under their control before 1974.

Bellow is a clickable map of Cyprus that shows with different colours the village areas that were inhabited by the two communities. Dark blue was exclusively GCs, light blue predominately GCs, dark red exclusively TCs and light red predominately TCs. Almost all the village areas that are marked with dark red and light red, remained under the control of the TC community, from 1964 until 1974, and formed the so-called enclaves. TCs were moved mainly out of mixed villages with a predominately GC population. If one calculates all the dark and light red areas of the map, will realise that these areas are almost as much as 18% of Cyprus' territory, and definitely way more than the 3% that the Turkish side claims for propaganda purposes.

So now we have come to the 3% quoted but from a different angle. In theory and in Greek propaganda all of Cyprus was open to the TCs so the percentage you have quoted is less than generous for Greek propaganda reasons. You could have claimed that and you missed your chance. The reality how ever was that the GCs did all they could to stop the TCs from travelling or indeed stepping out of the villages so "being forced into the 3%"is more accurate and not how much was actually controled by. The only way TCs were able to travel from one area to another was by UN escort and as was reported the GC national guard were able to travel well into these so called TC controlled areas but not into the villages as such.

[Kifeas]

The map is dated 1960, when did the troubles start 63 wasnt it? another myth hits the dust, tut tut tut.

Rubbish!

What if the map is dated 1960? Still it shows who inhabited each and every village boundary. Still, the light red and dark red areas had formed in 1964 the so-called enclaves. Name me one single area of those marked above, which was not part of an “enclave” before 1974!

Viewpoint, your side had fed you lots of propaganda rubbish all these years, and it is about time you start questioning your leadership's practices.

[Viewpoint]

The map is dated 1960, when did the troubles start 63 wasnt it? another myth hits the dust, tut tut tut.

Rubbish!

What if the map is dated 1960? Still it shows who inhabited each and every village boundary. Still, the light red and dark red areas had formed in 1964 the so-called enclaves. Name me one single area of those I marked above, which was not part of an “enclave” before 1974!

Viewpoint, your side had fed you lots of propaganda rubbish all these years, and it is about time you start questioning your leadership's practices.

So a map drawn up by god knows who named "Kypros" (could this be greek? by any chance) in 1960 represents the events that happened in 63 64 67 etc, even you cant tell enough lies to sell that story Kifeas.

[Pyrpolizer]

Sure mosquito boy.
25,000 are one fifth of 120,000.
Therefore 4/5ths of the TCs were NOT in enclaves. Therefore the claim that the TCs were squeezed in 3% of the land ALL living in enclaves is A LIE.

Having trouble with your maths again pyro. No one said that the whole of the 3% were enclaves. You see and read what you want to read and and cannot even make them stop long enough in your tiny mind to make sense of anything.


Mosquito boy....another good one.

What were the 3% then if they were not enclaves? International Airports?
Sorry man, but most of the times you don't make sense.

[Kifeas]

So now we have come to the 3% quoted but from a different angle. In theory and in Greek propaganda all of Cyprus was open to the TCs so the percentage you have quoted is less than generous for Greek propaganda reasons. You could have claimed that and you missed your chance. The reality how ever was that the GCs did all they could to stop the TCs from travelling or indeed stepping out of the villages so "being forced into the 3%"is more accurate and not how much was actually controled by. The only way TCs were able to travel from one area to another was by UN escort and as was reported the GC national guard were able to travel well into these so called TC controlled areas but not into the villages as such.

As usual, you talk nonsense again, but it is totally expected from someone like yourself! You cannot comprehend even simpler issues and stuff, set aside the above.

[Jerry]

I'm afraid you are talking crap Zan. I visited Cyprus several times between 1960 and 1974 and I can assure you that in 1967 you could travel easily around the island, I even drove into a Turkish "enclave" by mistake on one occasion. I do remember in 1972 travelling behind a UN convoy between Kyrenia and Nicosia and having a sten gun poked in my face at the TC checkpoint because I was not in the convoy but behind it. After much pleading they allowed us to go, they probably realised that a couple with a 2 year old child were not looking for trouble. I get really fed up with reading about what happened in the past by people who were not even there. Stop squabbling over what happened in the past, admit that both sides are equally to blame and move on. If you can't do that and insist on arguing about who did what decades ago then I can only respond with one fact -1570!