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[Pyrpolizer]

Now that one can cross from one side to the other,the most direct rout to Turkey from the RoC is via Ercan. What do you expect people to do?Go to Greece or Lebanon and catch a plane from there?

It is time for a bit of reality check. There can be no direct flights to ERcan from any country other than Turkey without the permission of the Cyprus government. The TRNC will never be recognised by any other country in the world (including our Islamic brothers and sisters ) except Turkey. TCs will never have a country to call their own except the Republic of Cyprus...TCs will never have any rights internationally recognised except those they already have under the 1960 constitution...Isn't it time for Talat and co to wake up and start negotiating to return to the Republic in some form of Federal structure based on the 1960 constitution???

This is the ONLY way forward Birkibrisli.
There are many TCs who have the same opinion.

and plenty more who dont

And that's why we have no solution.

[BirKibrisli]

Now that one can cross from one side to the other,the most direct rout to Turkey from the RoC is via Ercan. What do you expect people to do?Go to Greece or Lebanon and catch a plane from there?

It is time for a bit of reality check. There can be no direct flights to ERcan from any country other than Turkey without the permission of the Cyprus government. The TRNC will never be recognised by any other country in the world (including our Islamic brothers and sisters ) except Turkey. TCs will never have a country to call their own except the Republic of Cyprus...TCs will never have any rights internationally recognised except those they already have under the 1960 constitution...Isn't it time for Talat and co to wake up and start negotiating to return to the Republic in some form of Federal structure based on the 1960 constitution???

What’s the matter Bir, the softly softly touch not working.


I think you should be petitioning your own government of the RoC for those solutions because all Tpap will settle for is complete surrender. So on that basis and in the style of what you wrote above:

There will be no surrender and the handing back of anything until the RoC is man enough to admit its part in the problems of the island and therefore full responsibility for its first president’s psychotic deeds. He has to stand up in front of his people and say "I have been lying to all along about being able to return to the north and we have played underhanded tricks to get ourselves into the EU and recognised all over the world but not by the people that really matter".



What do you think bir? What has a greater chance of happening? The recognition of the TRNC-KKTC, or Tpap doing what I ask.

The short answer is,Zan,none of the above...
That is why a bit of reality check,plus some goodwill on everyone's part will be needed to solve this problem.
Don't think I don't agree with you on Tpapa.I've said time and time again,as the legitimate government of Cyprus it is TPAP's responsiblility primarily to make peace with all his people.That won't/can't happen however if some of his people are hell bent on wanting to make prosper(yashatmak ve yuceltmek!!!)an illegal breakaway entity on Cyprus.
Sanity and compromise is called for. I am not sure that Tpapa will only settle for complete surrender.And I am not sure what you call "complete surrender" is in fact that.Both sides are insisting on their ideal solution,their utopia.It won't happen.But before our leadrs see sense,and follow us,we must make the move to a sensible position.My frustration is that I see no move from either side.What I see are two goats on a log over a stream of treacherous water,doing their utmost to throw the other side in.I despair for my compatriots.That's all.

[zan]

Now that one can cross from one side to the other,the most direct rout to Turkey from the RoC is via Ercan. What do you expect people to do?Go to Greece or Lebanon and catch a plane from there?

It is time for a bit of reality check. There can be no direct flights to ERcan from any country other than Turkey without the permission of the Cyprus government. The TRNC will never be recognised by any other country in the world (including our Islamic brothers and sisters ) except Turkey. TCs will never have a country to call their own except the Republic of Cyprus...TCs will never have any rights internationally recognised except those they already have under the 1960 constitution...Isn't it time for Talat and co to wake up and start negotiating to return to the Republic in some form of Federal structure based on the 1960 constitution???

What’s the matter Bir, the softly softly touch not working.


I think you should be petitioning your own government of the RoC for those solutions because all Tpap will settle for is complete surrender. So on that basis and in the style of what you wrote above:

There will be no surrender and the handing back of anything until the RoC is man enough to admit its part in the problems of the island and therefore full responsibility for its first president’s psychotic deeds. He has to stand up in front of his people and say "I have been lying to all along about being able to return to the north and we have played underhanded tricks to get ourselves into the EU and recognised all over the world but not by the people that really matter".



What do you think bir? What has a greater chance of happening? The recognition of the TRNC-KKTC, or Tpap doing what I ask.

The short answer is,Zan,none of the above...
That is why a bit of reality check,plus some goodwill on everyone's part will be needed to solve this problem.
Don't think I don't agree with you on Tpapa.I've said time and time again,as the legitimate government of Cyprus it is TPAP's responsiblility primarily to make peace with all his people.That won't/can't happen however if some of his people are hell bent on wanting to make prosper(yashatmak ve yuceltmek!!!)an illegal breakaway entity on Cyprus.
Sanity and compromise is called for. I am not sure that Tpapa will only settle for complete surrender.And I am not sure what you call "complete surrender" is in fact that.Both sides are insisting on their ideal solution,their utopia.It won't happen.But before our leadrs see sense,and follow us,we must make the move to a sensible position.My frustration is that I see no move from either side.What I see are two goats on a log over a stream of treacherous water,doing their utmost to throw the other side in.I despair for my compatriots.That's all.

Complete surrender and nothing else. Return of refugees. Turkey pay all the costs and take all the blame. No representation by the TCs in that they will get a chance to become Cypriot. Expelling the settlers, and many more. What do they offer nothing.

[Pyrpolizer]

Now that one can cross from one side to the other,the most direct rout to Turkey from the RoC is via Ercan. What do you expect people to do?Go to Greece or Lebanon and catch a plane from there?

It is time for a bit of reality check. There can be no direct flights to ERcan from any country other than Turkey without the permission of the Cyprus government. The TRNC will never be recognised by any other country in the world (including our Islamic brothers and sisters ) except Turkey. TCs will never have a country to call their own except the Republic of Cyprus...TCs will never have any rights internationally recognised except those they already have under the 1960 constitution...Isn't it time for Talat and co to wake up and start negotiating to return to the Republic in some form of Federal structure based on the 1960 constitution???

What’s the matter Bir, the softly softly touch not working.


I think you should be petitioning your own government of the RoC for those solutions because all Tpap will settle for is complete surrender. So on that basis and in the style of what you wrote above:

There will be no surrender and the handing back of anything until the RoC is man enough to admit its part in the problems of the island and therefore full responsibility for its first president’s psychotic deeds. He has to stand up in front of his people and say "I have been lying to all along about being able to return to the north and we have played underhanded tricks to get ourselves into the EU and recognised all over the world but not by the people that really matter".



What do you think bir? What has a greater chance of happening? The recognition of the TRNC-KKTC, or Tpap doing what I ask.

The short answer is,Zan,none of the above...
That is why a bit of reality check,plus some goodwill on everyone's part will be needed to solve this problem.
Don't think I don't agree with you on Tpapa.I've said time and time again,as the legitimate government of Cyprus it is TPAP's responsiblility primarily to make peace with all his people.That won't/can't happen however if some of his people are hell bent on wanting to make prosper(yashatmak ve yuceltmek!!!)an illegal breakaway entity on Cyprus.
Sanity and compromise is called for. I am not sure that Tpapa will only settle for complete surrender.And I am not sure what you call "complete surrender" is in fact that.Both sides are insisting on their ideal solution,their utopia.It won't happen.But before our leadrs see sense,and follow us,we must make the move to a sensible position.My frustration is that I see no move from either side.What I see are two goats on a log over a stream of treacherous water,doing their utmost to throw the other side in.I despair for my compatriots.That's all.

Complete surrender and nothing else. Return of refugees. Turkey pay all the costs and take all the blame. No representation by the TCs in that they will get a chance to become Cypriot. Expelling the settlers, and many more. What do they offer nothing.

Don't be paranoidal. You explain me how that could ever be possible under a negotiated procedure for the return to the 1960 constitution. In fact Papadopoulos can put no terms down as it is your right according to constitution.

[Pyrpolizer]

As for the settlers the very same constitution says that everybody born here or getting married gets citizenship. Even if a pregnant woman from Africa gives birth to a child inside an aeroplane in Cyprus FIR that child gets Cypriot Nationality immediately.

[Viewpoint]

Now that one can cross from one side to the other,the most direct rout to Turkey from the RoC is via Ercan. What do you expect people to do?Go to Greece or Lebanon and catch a plane from there?

It is time for a bit of reality check. There can be no direct flights to ERcan from any country other than Turkey without the permission of the Cyprus government. The TRNC will never be recognised by any other country in the world (including our Islamic brothers and sisters ) except Turkey. TCs will never have a country to call their own except the Republic of Cyprus...TCs will never have any rights internationally recognised except those they already have under the 1960 constitution...Isn't it time for Talat and co to wake up and start negotiating to return to the Republic in some form of Federal structure based on the 1960 constitution???

What’s the matter Bir, the softly softly touch not working.


I think you should be petitioning your own government of the RoC for those solutions because all Tpap will settle for is complete surrender. So on that basis and in the style of what you wrote above:

There will be no surrender and the handing back of anything until the RoC is man enough to admit its part in the problems of the island and therefore full responsibility for its first president’s psychotic deeds. He has to stand up in front of his people and say "I have been lying to all along about being able to return to the north and we have played underhanded tricks to get ourselves into the EU and recognised all over the world but not by the people that really matter".



What do you think bir? What has a greater chance of happening? The recognition of the TRNC-KKTC, or Tpap doing what I ask.

The short answer is,Zan,none of the above...
That is why a bit of reality check,plus some goodwill on everyone's part will be needed to solve this problem.
Don't think I don't agree with you on Tpapa.I've said time and time again,as the legitimate government of Cyprus it is TPAP's responsiblility primarily to make peace with all his people.That won't/can't happen however if some of his people are hell bent on wanting to make prosper(yashatmak ve yuceltmek!!!)an illegal breakaway entity on Cyprus.
Sanity and compromise is called for. I am not sure that Tpapa will only settle for complete surrender.And I am not sure what you call "complete surrender" is in fact that.Both sides are insisting on their ideal solution,their utopia.It won't happen.But before our leadrs see sense,and follow us,we must make the move to a sensible position.My frustration is that I see no move from either side.What I see are two goats on a log over a stream of treacherous water,doing their utmost to throw the other side in.I despair for my compatriots.That's all.

Complete surrender and nothing else. Return of refugees. Turkey pay all the costs and take all the blame. No representation by the TCs in that they will get a chance to become Cypriot. Expelling the settlers, and many more. What do they offer nothing.

Don't be paranoidal. You explain me how that could ever be possible under a negotiated procedure for the return to the 1960 constitution. In fact Papadopoulos can put no terms down as it is your right according to constitution.

As it was in 1963?

[zan]

Pyro

You have been allowed to progress since 1960 we have not. Lift the embargoes and let us catch up and then we can negotiate as equals. Until then we can only surrender the little we have and that is unacceptable. If you refuse to acknowledge that then I see this going nowhere. We cannot go back to a position of Greek supremacy on the island, we have been given the chance to taste the freedom we deserve by GC intransigence and we can no longer go back to being the service providers for the GC majority. If you cannot see a danger in that then that is not my problem but yours. Throwing wise cracks about does nothing to achieve the unity that you want but strengthens the division that I think is more sensible and practical with a dismissive attitude like yours and many many GCs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro

You have been allowed to progress since 1960 we have not. Lift the embargoes and let us catch up and then we can negotiate as equals. Until then we can only surrender the little we have and that is unacceptable. If you refuse to acknowledge that then I see this going nowhere. We cannot go back to a position of Greek supremacy on the island, we have been given the chance to taste the freedom we deserve by GC intransigence and we can no longer go back to being the service providers for the GC majority. If you cannot see a danger in that then that is not my problem but yours. Throwing wise cracks about does nothing to achieve the unity that you want but strengthens the division that I think is more sensible and practical with a dismissive attitude like yours and many many GCs.

So you think you are in a position to put down terms and tell us that you will negotiate after your terms are oblidged?

Go ahead man, what's stoping you? All you will manage is just keep the current situation.

@VP.

Negotiations on that basis will not end up to something like the 1963. They will end up to something like 2007. Can you tell the difference?

[Viewpoint]

Pyro

You have been allowed to progress since 1960 we have not. Lift the embargoes and let us catch up and then we can negotiate as equals. Until then we can only surrender the little we have and that is unacceptable. If you refuse to acknowledge that then I see this going nowhere. We cannot go back to a position of Greek supremacy on the island, we have been given the chance to taste the freedom we deserve by GC intransigence and we can no longer go back to being the service providers for the GC majority. If you cannot see a danger in that then that is not my problem but yours. Throwing wise cracks about does nothing to achieve the unity that you want but strengthens the division that I think is more sensible and practical with a dismissive attitude like yours and many many GCs.

So you think you are in a position to put down terms and tell us that you will negotiate after your terms are oblidged?

Go ahead man, what's stoping you? All you will manage is just keep the current situation.

@VP.

Negotiations on that basis will not end up to something like the 1963. They will end up to something like 2007. Can you tell the difference?

You talking about going back to the 1960 consitituiton, which for obvious reasons didnt work, and it was the GC who produced the Akritas plan not us. How long would it be before you produced a 2007 sequal?

[zan]

Pyro

You have been allowed to progress since 1960 we have not. Lift the embargoes and let us catch up and then we can negotiate as equals. Until then we can only surrender the little we have and that is unacceptable. If you refuse to acknowledge that then I see this going nowhere. We cannot go back to a position of Greek supremacy on the island, we have been given the chance to taste the freedom we deserve by GC intransigence and we can no longer go back to being the service providers for the GC majority. If you cannot see a danger in that then that is not my problem but yours. Throwing wise cracks about does nothing to achieve the unity that you want but strengthens the division that I think is more sensible and practical with a dismissive attitude like yours and many many GCs.

So you think you are in a position to put down terms and tell us that you will negotiate after your terms are oblidged?

Go ahead man, what's stoping you? All you will manage is just keep the current situation.

@VP.

Negotiations on that basis will not end up to something like the 1963. They will end up to something like 2007. Can you tell the difference?

Current situation of???????? GC land being built on and a slow but steady building of infrastructure. Other countries looking into ways of providing us with direct flights etc etc etc. We might not get what we want from you but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Slower but in the end surer. I must congratulate you pyro because try as I might I cannot do a better job than you at securing partition. Which nut house would you like me to send the cheque?