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[uzan]

It must be known that Turket exercised her ascribed duty to go into Cyprus not only to protect TC but to protect Gc population from E.O.K.A "B" Which wanted Union with Greece so that Greek Orthodoxy become stronger I Cyprus Turkey therefore did not Occupy Cyprus for its own benefit.

Do you really believe this crap? Turkey invaded Cyprus because it considered Cyprus to be strategic for her interests. She was just waiting for the right excuse to do so.

My dear compatriot Piratis, To start with Turkey did not invaded Cyprus she simply entered it under the observation of the super powers of the time and if Turkey had a clear intention to invade her army known to be one of the best inthe world would not have undertaken to enter it the way it happenedt and cause the death of thousands young turkish soldiers . If you spare some time go to Kyrenia and visit the place where the Turkish Army entered Cyprus You will then see what I mean.Yes I would go along with your asumption that Turkey took the opportunity to sucure the North Cyprus coast for its own security but no body gives a free lunch in this trobled world. We had the opportunity to remove most of the Turkish Army if The GC did not follow
the present gov's decision to say "No" to the referundum. But again I am correct in saying that the Hreek Church has dominated the political opinion in Cyprus. Don't forget the precedent set by Makarios in Cyprus .
Cyprus was indeed liberated from colonialism but to whose interest ?
Only to become a colony again to Greece which was then on the road of Communism. I was in Cyprus in the 50s andat time tried to show sympathe with the greek strugle to liberate
Cyprus but I soon realised that it futile to continue on that road , The devel you know is better than the devel you do not know. ans so I supported the status quo to peril again because the Brits got what they wanted and left the poor Tc to the E>O.K.A's mercy. I can go on and on to talk about but it does not help us to resolve our problem but the world must know the truth. The trouble the Turks is that they do not have the support of the Western World and they are very forgiving people and thus vote as Yes in the referundum. Good day to you my dear compatriot.

[Saint Jimmy]

Do you really believe this crap? Turkey invaded Cyprus because it considered Cyprus to be strategic for her interests. She was just waiting for the right excuse to do so.

Hey man, I'm with you! I agree, but did you really have to use the word 'crap'? It just sounds like unnecessary name-calling;)

Anyway, the point is, uzan, if that were the reason, there's no more EOKA B', and there's no more claims for Union (Enosis). But Turkey's still here!?!?!?!?

[uzan]

Do you really believe this crap? Turkey invaded Cyprus because it considered Cyprus to be strategic for her interests. She was just waiting for the right excuse to do so.

Hey man, I'm with you! I agree, but did you really have to use the word 'crap'? It just sounds like unnecessary name-calling;)

Anyway, the point is, uzan, if that were the reason, there's no more EOKA B', and there's no more claims for Union (Enosis). But Turkey's still here!?!?!?!?

It is just as well that Turkey is still here Otherwise We
could have had Some other organization similar to E.O.K.A because Greece will neve give up her ambition to have Cyprus to be part of the 12 islands Come on compatriots wake up and become realistic because if we anger Turkey again we may on this occasion have a real invasion and return
to colonialism, God forbid.

[brother]

WELL PIRATIS THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED EOKA GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SO ALL YOU HAVE IS TO BLAME YOURSELVES FOR THIS PREDICAMENT.

[KELEBEK]

Pantelis

Suppose that your numbers are correct, how does this change the injustice that was done them (or any other refugees for that matter)?

From what I have read repeatedly, numbers mean everything to G/Cs. There is a clear difference of some sixty thousand people, between what some suggest 200000 to the official UN figure of 140000, I have even heard some G/Cs say 230,000, I mean there weren`t even that many people living in the North then. It doesn`t change the injustice no, although what happened before 1974 acts perpetrated by G/Cs were an injustice too, but by adding lies it causes people to distrust you and not believe a word you are saying.

[KELEBEK]

Every time I see chubby G/C boys holding Greek flags, with I am proud to be Greek printed on their T-Shirts, I wonder if EOKA or its equivalent doesn`t exist, I wonder if ENOSIS is still not the goal for many in the South.

Do you remember the bomb attacks against DISY leader Nicos Anastasiades during the referenda? Who do you think planted these bombs, ETA, IRA...? oh wait a minute...nvEOKA C perhaps?

[Othellos]

From what I have read repeatedly, numbers mean everything to G/Cs. There is a clear difference of some sixty thousand people, between what some suggest 200000 to the official UN figure of 140000, I have even heard some G/Cs say 230,000, I mean there weren`t even that many people living in the North then. It doesn`t change the injustice no, although what happened before 1974 acts perpetrated by G/Cs were an injustice too, but by adding lies it causes people to distrust you and not believe a word you are saying.

Numbers can be important, but the principal is even more important. Other than that I agree with what you say above. I will also add that what you write about how "adding lies causes people to distrust you" has the same effect on people from both sides. Generally speaking, I do not know if you can accept that your "official" version of the story is not 100% just or correct.

Regarding the number of refugees that were displaced, my understanding is that this was originally around 180-200,000. By 1977 many of them were able to return to their houses that were near the cease fire line but within government controlled areas (see tabble 5 in the 2nd link below). The various GC refugee numbers that I have heard at times range from around 142,000 (approx. number of GC's displaced in 1974 given or deducted by official RoC sources) to around 168,000 (recent RoC studies that aimed to establish the current refugee number and that were published in the local press). I have also heard that the number of TC refugees (i.e. people who left their homes in the free areas back in 1974) is about 45,000 (if anyone has an exact number and a source on this please post). If one looks for the total number of all Cypriot refugees then this could exceed 200,000.

Some links on the subject:
http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Villages/indexe.html
http://kypros.org/Cyprus/cy_republic/demography.html

Regardless of what the exact numbers are, the important question for me is if there is the will and the desire to find a solution that will restore the injustice that was done to all these people back in 1974. If the answer is "yes" then the rest can be figured out.

O.

[Othellos]

Every time I see chubby G/C boys holding Greek flags, with I am proud to be Greek printed on their T-Shirts, I wonder if EOKA or its equivalent doesn`t exist, I wonder if ENOSIS is still not the goal for many in the South.

Wearing your T-shits and carying your flags is not a problem. Forcing someone out of his home and raising your flag infront of it is a problem. I suppose that GC's must also wonder about Turkish intentions every time they see turkish flags painted on Pentadaktylos and elsewhere, overlooking their occupied homes. The real problem with the flags is where one raises them and how.

O.

[brother]

But then are the GC army not trained to hate turks, many have heard the slogans your millatary trains too and apart from being racist and ugly it is uncivilised.

[MicAtCyp]

Greece will neve give up her ambition to have Cyprus to be part of the 12 islands

Re yurtas I can assure you this is not true.Neither Greece wants that not the Greek Cypriots.Perhaps you are with the opinion of what was going on in the 50s and 60s.Beleive me I can understand you. But you have to watch the new generation and the generation who now hold the power to understand that things today are totally different. Then it was just a sentimental approach. Today not only the sentiment is gone, today people think in terms of their own pocket. Not only us, but the mainland Greeks as well. Soon you will see the same thing happening to the mainland Turks. Did you ever beleive they love you and they want to protect you?

If yes here is a simple question : Suppose tomorrow there is war between Greece and Turkey, and Istanbul (Constantinople) was in danger been captured by the Greeks. Would Turkey care defending you or would she concentrate all her troops to defend Istanbul?
I address the same question in another way. Suppose Rhodos was about to be captured by the Turks. Would Greece care defending Cyprus or would she concentrate all her forces to protect Rhodes?

After you answer these questions you will realise that we the Cypriots are always alone, and we had nobody caring for us. What the mainlanders were always doing is serving their own interests, on the expense of our stupidity.

PS. I will be more the happiest man the day all Turkish, Greek, and British military are kicked out of here.