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[miltiades]

Report from Cyprus wrote :
"""Life can continue with cloning, and artificial insemination, there doesn't have to be attraction between the opposite sex. """

With the utmost respect let me remind you that life as we know it has existed for millions of years and it will no doubt continue to do so for eternity. To suggest that life can continue by "cloning and artificial insemination " is to suggest that the human race as we know it today will seize to exist.
There are natural activities that all living things participate one of them is the continuation of the species by natural means as it has done since life begun . The methods of disposing of body fluids and other substances have existed and have never changed and will never alter in a million years . If such necessary and not particularly exciting activities have existed since the beginning of life why on earth would anyone even consider the possibility that one day the most pleasurable natural experience might be discarded in favour of cloning and artificial insemination. I say total nonsense . Homosexuality has existed since the beginning of life. It will continue to the end but it will never replace the most civilized and respected fundamentals of our world that of the natural mother and father. In the UK some schools have gone down the Loony road of actually dropping the word mother and father from their vocabulary and simply referring to the family as the parents. Such schools are run by complete idiots whose philosophy on life is at the highest levels of the science of scatology.

Finally may I just say that there are in life Gay people , Straight people , sex perverts , paedophiles , necrophiles , gerontophiles and so on and so on. I dread the day when we are brainwashed in having to accept that such words as mum and dad are politically incorrect.


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[zan]

i am looking for gay in limassol says nik, so after much deliberation and interesting discussion this young person is still none the wiser, surely somebody must be able to answer his enquiry as I am sure he is already quite familiar with all the foregoing comments, despite his tender age.

I had to take my son swimming so I could not carry this on but....


I was thinking of nik while I was away and what he must be thinking about this discussion. I for one got a little bit excited by the progress that was being made and forgot what this was about. I did not lose sight if the fact that this is not an exercise to find a place for gays in "our" society but to explain the reasons behind all of us. I do not believe for one second that we as heterosexuals are the norm and we need to explain and place "them" within our world. I was happy to have made the analogy of the ants and where we all fit within nature and how Bananiots statistic fits in to all of this. By the way Bananiot, you have not said what you think of my idea. So any way, nik I hope you find what you are looking for in Cyprus and have a great time.



Piratis.
Your views on parenting and the “encouragement” of gays and the disabled are a typical reaction. Many people that think of gays also think of corruption and perversion as being part of their makeup. We must not encourage this, you say. What you need to do is separate the idea that they are out to get us all with their sexuality. What you are saying is we do not want to encourage rapists and perverts and child molesters not gays. Do you really believe that all gays will bring their children up with anti heterosexual ideas or will readily sexually abuse every child in their care. If you do not have these thoughts in your head why should they. There are many people out there that I would not leave my children with for many reasons and they are not all gay.


I will ask you all a question. If you had to leave your children in a group to be looked after by a group of people, which would you choose.

A group of gay men

A group of gay women

A group of mixed heterosexuals.

[humanist]

SimonJones the only comment I will respoind too is that if there were more GAYS in the world there would be lots more great Mardi Gras Parades fun and laughter and less war. The rest of the discussion I am not willing to enter because it is judgeemental and exclussionistic of people based on their sexual preferences. Nik like I said before don't let the bastards get you down and good luck in finding your gay mate.

Perhaps I will touch on the unatural child rearing coment, so it is okay and aparently natural to have a heterosexual couple fuelled with domestic violence and drug addictions raising their children but not a gay man and lesbian who choose to have a child together, having respectable jobs, balanced social lives, unconditional love for each other and their children because someone out there had decided that this is not appropriate.

[zan]

Humanist
If you feel that we should stop then I will right now.

[Piratis]

Piratis.
Your views on parenting and the “encouragement” of gays and the disabled are a typical reaction. Many people that think of gays also think of corruption and perversion as being part of their makeup. We must not encourage this, you say. What you need to do is separate the idea that they are out to get us all with their sexuality. What you are saying is we do not want to encourage rapists and perverts and child molesters not gays. Do you really believe that all gays will bring their children up with anti heterosexual ideas or will readily sexually abuse every child in their care. If you do not have these thoughts in your head why should they. There are many people out there that I would not leave my children with for many reasons and they are not all gay.

No I do not associate gay people with corruption or anything negative. I just say that gays having children is not something natural. I would say the same about a 60 year old, or a 10 year old heterosexual couple adopting a new born child. There is a reason why nature requires that a child to be born a male and a female within specific age range are needed.

While a gay couple will not necessarily bring up their children with anti-heterosexual ideas (although this can not be excluded) I believe that a child growing up with 2 parents of the same gender will get used to that kind of environment which will in turn make the child to believe that this is how it should do it as well, and if the child has even slight homosexual tendencies the environment could affect the child to become gay as well.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem leaving my children with nice gay people, in the same way I wouldn't mind to leave them with a nice woman babysitter. This doesn't mean that it is OK for children to grow up with a gay couple or a single parent.

Sure, there can be worst things for children than gay parents (e.g. drug addicts that abuse them), but because something worst exists this doesn't mean we should encourage something else simply because it is less negative. What we should do is to discourage and do our best to stop all kinds of negative environments for the children. And while we can do little (apart from good education) to prevent a 14 year old from having a baby with a father that gets lost (something very bad for the child), we can prevent homosexuals from adobting children and this is something we should do.

Personally I could maybe accept if a child is given to gays when this is the least bad option available, but I find it totally unacceptable if children are born for the sole reason of being given to a gay couple.

[Bananiot]

Here we go again:

Piratis says

I just say that gays having children is not something natural.

Inference: If it is not natural it is no good.

Point made: Please stop this absurdity. Just because something is not natural it does not mean that it is not good. This line of thought has created monsters and dictarors and misanthropists and basically all the scum of the earth.

[zan]

Piratis

You are also mixing up what is natural and what is not. Gay people having children between themselves is impossible and not unnatural. There is nothing unnatural about bringing up or parenting children. The two are separate issues.


Bananiot
A response to my theory on why the chances of children being gay gets greater for the second and the third etc? Even if you say it is complete rubbish.

[andri_cy]

I don't care if someone is gay as long as they are decent people.

I will ask you all a question. If you had to leave your children in a group to be looked after by a group of people, which would you choose.

A group of gay men

A group of gay women

A group of mixed heterosexuals.

I will answer this because I have had experience with it unfortunately. When I worked outside the home for a short period of time, at first I left my daughter with a gay girlfriend of mine. Every time I went to pick her up, she was happy, clean fed and content. After a while, that friend moved to a different state so I had to leave her with a heterosexual couple of friends. Mind you they were in their early 30's and seemed decent enough. Two months after they started watching her, she started humping her stuffed animals. I ask the doctor and she says it is normal if the child has seen people have sex. My husband and I thought of that as a big no no so we knew it wasn't us. Asking around discreetly around the rest of our friends, we find out they are having sex instead of watching my kid and they are doing so in front of her. I quit my job and stayed home and after a few weeks it hasn't happened since. So in this case, I would have rather left my child with the gay person rather than the straight person. Of course, sexuality at the end of the day doesn't matter. The person does. If the person is decent, what does it matter who they go home to at the end of the day or who they have sex with? Don't we have better things to do in life than sit around and think about who is sleeping with whom and what they are doing?

[humanist]

I cannot understand what is so unnatural about a gay man rearing a child that he may have fathered to a lesbian or a straight woman who was in her 40's and not married.

Piratis I also do not understand what you mean by "that kind" of environment. I assure you that I am well respected social worker, own my home, I have the support of my parents, I do not use drugs and may have alcohol on very rare occasions, I socalise with teachers, lawyers, yoga teachers and artists. I do not have criminal record and I care for humanity as much as I do for the environment. I am not violent and yes I go to church evry now and then as I am more of a Bahai in my fath than anything else.

So please tell me what "that kind" of environment I am living in that t would not be condusive to raising a child.

[andri_cy]

Humanist you will always find the conservative types that think that an environment of gay parents is not good for the child-even in the US I am afraid, there are a lot of them. I have seen with my own eyes what heterosexual parents can do to their children and it still scares me. Statistically, gay parents, male or female do an incredible job...