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[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisly , do you know something ? They dont make them like us any more brother .

Thank god, your time was the 1960s, it has passed and their is a new generation of well educated TCs and GCs who know deep down that these 2 communities cannot reunite due a vast chasm of differences. People like yourselves live and will die with a hope that everything will one day go back to how it was and everyone will live happily ever after, well sorry to burst your bubble but I am realist and believe that neither side wants reunification and will not take the steps to compromise or work together to build trust, we have many examples of this, the bridge being the last fiasco of "Cypriot" cooperation and togetherness. It just dont exist.

At least we still have our hopes and dreams,Viewpoint,which makes life worth living.You seems to have given up and resigned to cultural and genetic annihilation. What is it like to live with the knowledge that you have been condemn to death,but your sentence will not be carried out until you totally identify with your executioners???

[Viewpoint]

Birkibrisly , do you know something ? They dont make them like us any more brother .

Thank god, your time was the 1960s, it has passed and their is a new generation of well educated TCs and GCs who know deep down that these 2 communities cannot reunite due a vast chasm of differences. People like yourselves live and will die with a hope that everything will one day go back to how it was and everyone will live happily ever after, well sorry to burst your bubble but I am realist and believe that neither side wants reunification and will not take the steps to compromise or work together to build trust, we have many examples of this, the bridge being the last fiasco of "Cypriot" cooperation and togetherness. It just dont exist.

At least we still have our hopes and dreams,Viewpoint,which makes life worth living.You seems to have given up and resigned to cultural and genetic annihilation. What is it like to live with the knowledge that you have been condemn to death,but your sentence will not be carried out until you totally identify with your executioners???

I don't view it that way, it is the better of the 2 evils and a return to our roots which we cannot deny stem from Turkey. You can deny this all you want but put to a poll I am pretty certain you will find TCs would in the current climate choose Turkey over the GCs. Your sentence has been carried out bir, when will you realize this? you have lived abroad for so long that you are a lost TCs whos cultural and genetic annihilation has taken place. the remnants are you, someone who has lost all sense or reality and can call Tasoss his leader. Good luck to you but you are no longer a TC although you claim to be one.

[BirKibrisli]

Please don't take this the wrong way Bir as I believe everyone is free to marry who they wish but don't you feel you have let the TC people down by marrying first Turkish then Australian? Your children will never be TCs however much you may wish this, it is very rare to find mixed marriages where the children consider themselves Turkish Cypriot. Your TC line gene is lost forever and that is very sad for us as a people. If you were able to raise your children here on the island you would have had the opportunity to instill some of our culture and language in them. Can your daughters speak Turkish? do they know any of your culture and roots? have they even been to Cyprus? Now your attitude towards TCs is much clearer as in time you have become a TC in origin but more a foreigner of mixed cultures and beliefs, that why you have difficulty in identifying with your TC side first before any other cultural bonding.

I don't know if this makes any diference to your thinking,but I married Autralian first and Turkish second...Do you want to change anything in the above post,Viewpoint,before I reply to it???

[Viewpoint]

Please don't take this the wrong way Bir as I believe everyone is free to marry who they wish but don't you feel you have let the TC people down by marrying first Turkish then Australian? Your children will never be TCs however much you may wish this, it is very rare to find mixed marriages where the children consider themselves Turkish Cypriot. Your TC line gene is lost forever and that is very sad for us as a people. If you were able to raise your children here on the island you would have had the opportunity to instill some of our culture and language in them. Can your daughters speak Turkish? do they know any of your culture and roots? have they even been to Cyprus? Now your attitude towards TCs is much clearer as in time you have become a TC in origin but more a foreigner of mixed cultures and beliefs, that why you have difficulty in identifying with your TC side first before any other cultural bonding.

I don't know if this makes any diference to your thinking,but I married Autralian first and Turkish second...Do you want to change anything in the above post,Viewpoint,before I reply to it???

No go ahead, Im interested to hear your view, are you still married to the Turkish lady?

[miltiades]

VP , You are a foreigner in Cyprus since you deny your Cypriotness unlike Bir who proudly pronounces that he is a Cypriot . You and the likes of you , either T/C or G/C are the main problem in finding a solution You live in my country the same as the G/Cs who share same views , and yet you deny Cyprus and aspire to an identity of that of a foreign nation, and Turkey as well as Greece are two independent foreign nations with close ties with our island , but foreign according to all international concepts.

[Viewpoint]

VP , You are a foreigner in Cyprus since you deny your Cypriotness unlike Bir who proudly pronounces that he is a Cypriot . You and the likes of you , either T/C or G/C are the main problem in finding a solution You live in my country the same as the G/Cs who share same views , and yet you deny Cyprus and aspire to an identity of that of a foreign nation, and Turkey as well as Greece are two independent foreign nations with close ties with our island , but foreign according to all international concepts.

We have discussed the "Cypriotness" issue before this is not something that appears overnight. The new generation do not identify with what you see as being a Cypriot, they have lived apart for 33 years and know nothing else. Your mindset is dying out with people like yourselves and in 20 years time if the current situation continue will no longer exist. We have to face reality as the likelihood of uniting is near enough zero, so your dream of one nation will not materialize as people are not really interested on either side of the border.

[Pyrpolizer]

Whats the alternative assimilation with GCs? Tcs have that option now they can go live in the GC state "RoC" today if they wish, nothing stopping them.

Actually there are many things stoping them, including RoC official policy on the matter. I can guarantee you a visionary RoC President could drag at least 50% of the real TCs in RoC if he wanted to.

You talk about assimilation with GCs as if it is a bad thing. You don’t even look at yourself who by talking with GCs in the forums for so many years you assimilated so much that you grew up a tonque 3 times longer and stronger than the GCs. No TC can catch up with you, and I bet you can silence any TC with argumentation within seconds. I bet deep inside you feel proud saying "look how good I became by talking with GCs" nobody can cross me up anymore.

I don't view it that way, it is the better of the 2 evils and a return to our roots which we cannot deny stem from Turkey.

Ha, ha, ha. That’s really funny! Half of you are converted GCs and Latins my dear not Turks. And half the GCs are bastardised Turks as well. Just look around you, look at your faces, look at GC’s faces.

[Kikapu]

We have discussed the "Cypriotness" issue before this is not something that appears overnight. The new generation do not identify with what you see as being a Cypriot, they have lived apart for 33 years and know nothing else. Your mindset is dying out with people like yourselves and in 20 years time if the current situation continue will no longer exist. We have to face reality as the likelihood of uniting is near enough zero, so your dream of one nation will not materialize as people are not really interested on either side of the border.

There's no denying, that another 20 years of separation, will be the "death nail" to any chance of Uniting, or even any kind of a Federation States to take place. The only other options that would remain, as I see it are:

a) Another war
b) Partition
c) Annexation by Turkey
d) Confederation

Of all the above choices, Confederation is the more likely and palatable answer to what would have been a 70 years of struggle, by the end of next 20 years.

Switzerland is a Confederation and the country functions just fine, so there are examples to follow.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

Actually there are many things stoping them, including RoC official policy on the matter. I can guarantee you a visionary RoC President could drag at least 50% of the real TCs in RoC if he wanted to.

But you are talking about a modern and visionary leadership who really represent all Cypriots but you have never produced such a leadership or do not look like you ever will, so this argument goes right out of the window.
An enlightened leadership would have taken measures that would have had addressed TCs fears and encouraged them towards uniting but this has clearly not been the case in fact we are further apart now than we were when the borders were closed.

You talk about assimilation with GCs as if it is a bad thing.

How do you look at assimilating with Turks? same viewpoint.

You don’t even look at yourself who by talking with GCs in the forums for so many years you assimilated so much that you grew up a tonque 3 times longer and stronger than the GCs. No TC can catch up with you, and I bet you can silence any TC with argumentation within seconds. I bet deep inside you feel proud saying "look how good I became by talking with GCs" nobody can cross me up anymore.

Don't really understand this maybe its lost in the English...please clarify.

Ha, ha, ha. That’s really funny! Half of you are converted GCs and Latins my dear not Turks. And half the GCs are bastardised Turks as well. Just look around you, look at your faces, look at GC’s faces.

Doesn't change the fact that we identify more with Turks than we do our bastard ancestors whom we have noway of tracing.

[Pyrpolizer]

Even the Turks in Constantinople/Istanbul call you "british bastards" I ve been there and I know. Do you think there are blind with no eyes to see the truth?

Do you know every woman there wants to marry a Greek? Shit, one told me I am not as handsome as the Greeks, I am as ugly as the Turks, because I am from Cyprus.