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Turkish Speaking Cypriots are a minority in the North

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby zan » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:59 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Hi humanist.

As you know I am a Gc I will try to give you an indication of what I know.In the occupied the have about 20,000 Turkish students. Not all Turkish actually in fact many of them are Israelis and Arabs. They have 3 main universities I believe they are American Universities. Some Tcs I know don't like sending their children at those universities, just because of all those foreigners which they consider scum.So they send them to better schools in Constantinople.
If You say "constantinople" is OK for the TCs but they warn us if a settler hears he will get angry we should say "istanbul"...

They also have 40,000 soldiers from Turkey.
And they have a lot, almost 30,000 workers from Turkey which they house inside some sort of huge Greenhouses where they both sleep,shit,and eat. They are their slaves at the construction sites.
And of course they also have the permanent settlers about 100,000.

The real TCs WERE about 80,000 a few years ago. What happened is that the last few years those TCs who emigrated in the 50s-60s are now becoming pensioners and they started returning en mase. So most propably now the real TCs are about 100,000 i.e about equal with the permanent settlers.

The TCs hate and chase the settlers constantly. Most of the TCs have their jobs, most of the settlers are just dealing with crimes roberies prostitution drags.
The situation there is a chaos, really.
The army regulates EVERYTHING even the prostitution places. Furthermore there is too much secret police man, it's worse than what it was in the ex-soviet union. You talk with someone and you clearly see the stupid SPs walking up and down taking pictures secretely and so on. And they are everywhere, in the streets, in the clubs everywhere.
In our little company we also had a TC military guy, I think he was a leutentant , oh boy he was completely crazy, he wasn't even afraid of the secret police, one day he told them siktir go away

There is absolutely no problem in our contacts with TCs. The TCs in this forum are not representative of the local TCs. I would say we talk very friendly with them. I met absolutely no-one who does not want to re-unite with the GCs. (Contrary to this forum where the majority of TCs want partition). They want to re-unite with us to throw away the settlers and the Turkish Army.

They all hate Papadopoulos too.
They believe he doesn't help them and he doesn't understand them. They feel trapped on one side are the settlers and the Turkish army on the other side it is Papadopoulos who doesn't want them. That's what they feel anyway. They are actually desparate.

What I realised is that most TCs are forming up their political ideas in a strange way, mostly by talking at coffee shops or with friends.Their political patries don't seem to communicate with them, or if they do they don't trust them , i don't know. Someone says something and everybody starts believing it. They believe we are fanatised by our priests and the Archibishop. These are obviously ideas of the 50s.

Perhaps I told you more than what you wanted to know...



What a sinister place. My two sisters have moved back recently and have found some of the things you say to be true in a more diluted state but thirty thousand Turks living in green houses???????
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:30 pm

Well I am not a permanent resident there but I did see with my own eyes a construction site having 3 such camps each one having about 70 persons.
I heard those are actually the lucky ones.Others are sleeping under the trees...
As for the total number of 30,000 perhaps that was the number they told me for all the seasonal workers, who knows, like I said everything is from just talking with TCs.
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Postby observer » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:43 pm

Well I am not a permanent resident there but I did see with my own eyes a construction site having 3 such camps each one having about 70 persons.
I heard those are actually the lucky ones.Others are sleeping under the trees...
As for the total number of 30,000 perhaps that was the number they told me for all the seasonal workers, who knows, like I said everything is from just talking with TCs.


Perhaps TCs with a rich sense of humour, since few seem to dislike the place you describe enough to want to come and live in the South. Me, I don't even recognize it from your description.
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Postby Issy1956 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:32 pm

What happened to reults of the census? Shouldnt that clarify things.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:56 am

The official TRNC figures are reportedlyaround 264,000 citizens,excluding the soldiers,the students,and the seasonal workers.
My guesstimate is that only about 65,000 of these are the real TCypriots (those born in Cyprus before 1974 or those with one parent born in Cyprus before 1974).

The figures from the last sensus which they promised to make public one year ago,have still not been announced. I guess they are still in the oven... :evil:
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Postby Issy1956 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:05 am

BK,
Thank you for the info.
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Postby zan » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:40 am

Birkibrisli wrote:The official TRNC figures are reportedlyaround 264,000 citizens,excluding the soldiers,the students,and the seasonal workers.
My guesstimate is that only about 65,000 of these are the real TCypriots (those born in Cyprus before 1974 or those with one parent born in Cyprus before 1974).

The figures from the last sensus which they promised to make public one year ago,have still not been announced. I guess they are still in the oven... :evil:



Maybe you should have highlighted the word guesstimate also because I can't seem to find any official figures any where. :wink:
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Postby humanist » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:32 am

Thanks for interesting food for thought Zan. Yes indeed culture is forever changing and things have changed in the South many a time over since my family immigrated from Cyprus.

I still maintain that it's ashame that Turkish Cypriots represent an equal number in the north as settlers if not less. That is a part of Cyprus history that I feel sad to lose. However it is only losing it if I so perceive it, i can choose to see it as changing.

Thanx Pyr for your assistance.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:18 pm

zan wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:The official TRNC figures are reportedlyaround 264,000 citizens,excluding the soldiers,the students,and the seasonal workers.
My guesstimate is that only about 65,000 of these are the real TCypriots (those born in Cyprus before 1974 or those with one parent born in Cyprus before 1974).

The figures from the last sensus which they promised to make public one year ago,have still not been announced. I guess they are still in the oven... :evil:



Maybe you should have highlighted the word guesstimate also because I can't seem to find any official figures any where. :wink:


My guesstimate is based on my extensive scanning of the TC media online,plus reports I get from family and friends who live in the TRNC. It is difficult to get exact figures,especially when those in power do not want you to. The other day I was reading an account by an elderly TC who wandered the streets and harbourside of Kyrenia for hours without meeting any real TCs.Everybody he met on the streets,everybody who owned and worked in the hotels,restaurants,cafes,casinos,and shops of Kyrenia was a settler.In fact I was being very conservative with my figures. There are figures of upto 450,000 settlers bandied about,but I don't want to believe them... :( :( :(
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Postby StuartN » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:21 pm

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Well I am not a permanent resident there but I did see with my own eyes a construction site having 3 such camps each one having about 70 persons.
I heard those are actually the lucky ones.Others are sleeping under the trees...
As for the total number of 30,000 perhaps that was the number they told me for all the seasonal workers, who knows, like I said everything is from just talking with TCs.


Perhaps TCs with a rich sense of humour, since few seem to dislike the place you describe enough to want to come and live in the South. Me, I don't even recognize it from your description.


Me neither - While I have some reservations about the figures (which will only be confirmed by census results - so it's wise not to start bandying about 'guesstimates' - Of course if you don't believe the census figures you have to rely on guesswork :lol: ), I know that much of what is said above is utter trash. Conditions for the workers have improved no end in the last two years and to say the place is in chaos is pure propaganda. I know - I work there (and in the South)[/quote]
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