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[BirKibrisli]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

Treat them as humanely as we can.Those who are born in Cyprus or are married to Cypriots will have to stay. It was not their fault that they became a pawn in this international power play. We have to pay the price for being too gullible and thickheaded in the past.There is no escaping that.

[zan]

I think you are giving the World powers too much human credibility,Zan...
I don't think there is an intentional "conspiracy" as such. Just that global capitalist interests now plainly dictate that Turkey must be supported over Cyprus. The western media do not need any orders from anyone to pull into line. They are mostly owned by the same global capitalist interests anyway. They just naturally do the bidding of their masters.
What is fair or just or right or wrong have very little to do with anything in the present world affairs. Greed and self intereset dominates everything.
Cyprus and Cypriots are small fish in a big pond. We could eat each other up for all that they care...as long as we don't touch their political and economic interests. Time for us to wake up and realise this. Or else we are doomed...Confined to history's rubish bin as naive and easily manipulated people who were their own worse enemy...

So now that nearly the whole of the media world is portraying Bush and Blair as fiends, who is controlling the media against them. Are the leaders of these two world powers not in control of anything. If not then why are they not blowing the whistle on those that are out to destroy them. I am sorry but your accusations that all the journalists are just doing what they are told is, to use an Americanism, just baloney. One minute Orhan Pamuk is a hero for speaking out against injustice and the next the media is working to an agenda to help Turkeys EU accessions?????????? This has got to be the mother of all conspiracies.
I understand that the system and those that are slaves to it can go without the need for humanity but to sugjest that the entire reporting world just plays along with it is …well……….

[zan]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

Treat them as humanely as we can.Those who are born in Cyprus or are married to Cypriots will have to stay. It was not their fault that they became a pawn in this international power play. We have to pay the price for being too gullible and thickheaded in the past.There is no escaping that.

So a 45 year old woman that came over ..say in 1976 who is now 80 years old is not eligable and you would be quite happy to put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey whilst she waves goodbye to her children that were born in Cyprus? Better to give them an injection and send back the bodies.

[BirKibrisli]

I think you are giving the World powers too much human credibility,Zan...
I don't think there is an intentional "conspiracy" as such. Just that global capitalist interests now plainly dictate that Turkey must be supported over Cyprus. The western media do not need any orders from anyone to pull into line. They are mostly owned by the same global capitalist interests anyway. They just naturally do the bidding of their masters.
What is fair or just or right or wrong have very little to do with anything in the present world affairs. Greed and self intereset dominates everything.
Cyprus and Cypriots are small fish in a big pond. We could eat each other up for all that they care...as long as we don't touch their political and economic interests. Time for us to wake up and realise this. Or else we are doomed...Confined to history's rubish bin as naive and easily manipulated people who were their own worse enemy...

So now that nearly the whole of the media world is portraying Bush and Blair as fiends, who is controlling the media against them. Are the leaders of these two world powers not in control of anything. If not then why are they not blowing the whistle on those that are out to destroy them. I am sorry but your accusations that all the journalists are just doing what they are told is, to use an Americanism, just baloney. One minute Orhan Pamuk is a hero for speaking out against injustice and the next the media is working to an agenda to help Turkeys EU accessions?????????? This has got to be the mother of all conspiracies.
I understand that the system and those that are slaves to it can go without the need for humanity but to sugjest that the entire reporting world just plays along with it is …well……….

The whole thing works in a very subtle way,Zan.
Nobody tell anyone what to do. They don't have to.The editors of those influential papers know what is in the interest of their patrons,the owners of the media groups. And the key journalists know what would please their editors. That is how they got into those jobs. While a lot of seemingly balanced and fair reporting goes on,the overall editorial bias slowly shifts to favour the favourites...Sorry but that is how it works,I was part of it for long enough to know.But you don't have to take my word for it. If you want to believe that the world suddenly woke up and realised that the TCs have been badly dealt with for decades,and it is now time to redress the balance,be my guest...

[BirKibrisli]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

Treat them as humanely as we can.Those who are born in Cyprus or are married to Cypriots will have to stay. It was not their fault that they became a pawn in this international power play. We have to pay the price for being too gullible and thickheaded in the past.There is no escaping that.

So a 45 year old woman that came over ..say in 1976 who is now 80 years old is not eligable and you would be quite happy to put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey whilst she waves goodbye to her children that were born in Cyprus? Better to give them an injection and send back the bodies.

If she has Cypriot children then she would be eligible to stay.On humanitarian grounds.Even if she has no children if she has been there for that long and she is that old she should still be allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds. A bit of flexibility would be needed. And a bit of humanity will go a long way in Cyprus...

[zan]

I think you are giving the World powers too much human credibility,Zan...
I don't think there is an intentional "conspiracy" as such. Just that global capitalist interests now plainly dictate that Turkey must be supported over Cyprus. The western media do not need any orders from anyone to pull into line. They are mostly owned by the same global capitalist interests anyway. They just naturally do the bidding of their masters.
What is fair or just or right or wrong have very little to do with anything in the present world affairs. Greed and self intereset dominates everything.
Cyprus and Cypriots are small fish in a big pond. We could eat each other up for all that they care...as long as we don't touch their political and economic interests. Time for us to wake up and realise this. Or else we are doomed...Confined to history's rubish bin as naive and easily manipulated people who were their own worse enemy...

So now that nearly the whole of the media world is portraying Bush and Blair as fiends, who is controlling the media against them. Are the leaders of these two world powers not in control of anything. If not then why are they not blowing the whistle on those that are out to destroy them. I am sorry but your accusations that all the journalists are just doing what they are told is, to use an Americanism, just baloney. One minute Orhan Pamuk is a hero for speaking out against injustice and the next the media is working to an agenda to help Turkeys EU accessions?????????? This has got to be the mother of all conspiracies.
I understand that the system and those that are slaves to it can go without the need for humanity but to sugjest that the entire reporting world just plays along with it is …well……….

The whole thing works in a very subtle way,Zan.
Nobody tell anyone what to do. They don't have to.The editors of those influential papers know what is in the interest of their patrons,the owners of the media groups. And the key journalists know what would please their editors. That is how they got into those jobs. While a lot of seemingly balanced and fair reporting goes on,the overall editorial bias slowly shifts to favour the favourites...Sorry but that is how it works,I was part of it for long enough to know.But you don't have to take my word for it. If you want to believe that the world suddenly woke up and realised that the TCs have been badly dealt with for decades,and it is now time to redress the balance,be my guest...

Sorry mate but you are not making much sense at the moment but never mind.....

It is not that they are trying to redress the balance but are actually listening to the story where they did not before. It is that simple. It is you and some of the GCs here that are using the fantastical story of a conspiracy against the mighty Greeks.

[zan]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

Treat them as humanely as we can.Those who are born in Cyprus or are married to Cypriots will have to stay. It was not their fault that they became a pawn in this international power play. We have to pay the price for being too gullible and thickheaded in the past.There is no escaping that.

So a 45 year old woman that came over ..say in 1976 who is now 80 years old is not eligable and you would be quite happy to put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey whilst she waves goodbye to her children that were born in Cyprus? Better to give them an injection and send back the bodies.

If she has Cypriot children then she would be eligible to stay.On humanitarian grounds.Even if she has no children if she has been there for that long and she is that old she should still be allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds. A bit of flexibility would be needed. And a bit of humanity will go a long way in Cyprus...

So what about the family of say five whose children are half way through their schooling and have been here for ten years but none of the children were born in Cyprus. Wait until their schooling is done and then kick them out or do we show them some humanity and let them stay. At this rate the only people you will be able to deport is the young and fit males with a criminal record.....

[BirKibrisli]

I think you are giving the World powers too much human credibility,Zan...
I don't think there is an intentional "conspiracy" as such. Just that global capitalist interests now plainly dictate that Turkey must be supported over Cyprus. The western media do not need any orders from anyone to pull into line. They are mostly owned by the same global capitalist interests anyway. They just naturally do the bidding of their masters.
What is fair or just or right or wrong have very little to do with anything in the present world affairs. Greed and self intereset dominates everything.
Cyprus and Cypriots are small fish in a big pond. We could eat each other up for all that they care...as long as we don't touch their political and economic interests. Time for us to wake up and realise this. Or else we are doomed...Confined to history's rubish bin as naive and easily manipulated people who were their own worse enemy...

So now that nearly the whole of the media world is portraying Bush and Blair as fiends, who is controlling the media against them. Are the leaders of these two world powers not in control of anything. If not then why are they not blowing the whistle on those that are out to destroy them. I am sorry but your accusations that all the journalists are just doing what they are told is, to use an Americanism, just baloney. One minute Orhan Pamuk is a hero for speaking out against injustice and the next the media is working to an agenda to help Turkeys EU accessions?????????? This has got to be the mother of all conspiracies.
I understand that the system and those that are slaves to it can go without the need for humanity but to sugjest that the entire reporting world just plays along with it is …well……….

The whole thing works in a very subtle way,Zan.
Nobody tell anyone what to do. They don't have to.The editors of those influential papers know what is in the interest of their patrons,the owners of the media groups. And the key journalists know what would please their editors. That is how they got into those jobs. While a lot of seemingly balanced and fair reporting goes on,the overall editorial bias slowly shifts to favour the favourites...Sorry but that is how it works,I was part of it for long enough to know.But you don't have to take my word for it. If you want to believe that the world suddenly woke up and realised that the TCs have been badly dealt with for decades,and it is now time to redress the balance,be my guest...

Sorry mate but you are not making much sense at the moment but never mind.....

It is not that they are trying to redress the balance but are actually listening to the story where they did not before. It is that simple. It is you and some of the GCs here that are using the fantastical story of a conspiracy against the mighty Greeks.

Could it be it is because I broke my alcohol fast and had a bit too much red wine last night? Or are you on something stronger?

Still I don't remember ever mentioning the word "conspiracy"...

[BirKibrisli]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

Treat them as humanely as we can.Those who are born in Cyprus or are married to Cypriots will have to stay. It was not their fault that they became a pawn in this international power play. We have to pay the price for being too gullible and thickheaded in the past.There is no escaping that.

So a 45 year old woman that came over ..say in 1976 who is now 80 years old is not eligable and you would be quite happy to put her on a plane and send her back to Turkey whilst she waves goodbye to her children that were born in Cyprus? Better to give them an injection and send back the bodies.

If she has Cypriot children then she would be eligible to stay.On humanitarian grounds.Even if she has no children if she has been there for that long and she is that old she should still be allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds. A bit of flexibility would be needed. And a bit of humanity will go a long way in Cyprus...

So what about the family of say five whose children are half way through their schooling and have been here for ten years but none of the children were born in Cyprus. Wait until their schooling is done and then kick them out or do we show them some humanity and let them stay. At this rate the only people you will be able to deport is the young and fit males with a criminal record.....

Sorry but we have to draw the line somewhere. They will have to go back and finish their schooling in their own country. I really don't want to deport anyone though. Why are you being so difficult???
What are you on ,and can I have some too???

[Kifeas]

You are the idiot Kifeas, if I may say so, because you actually believe that Papadopoulos (Koulias, Angelides, Pittokopitis, Katsourides and the rest of his bunch) wants federation. You quite appropriately forgot to mention that what we agreed in 1977 and again in 1979 was a bizonal, bicommunal federation. Unluckily for you and your protege, those that matter in this world, have not forgotten and expect from us to honour our signatures. Just as they expected us to honour our signature in 1959.

Papadopoulos will never agree with BBF and all the tricks he is using will only get Cyprus partitioned. Also, when you threaten that we will veto Turkey and block her accession process you might as well know that at the same time we will be digging our grave. Of course, threats can be made by the mighty and when the minnows threaten, I can't help but remember of the elephant and the ant joke.

Banana, you are a joke and a disgrace, and I do not even regard you a Cypriot, -set aside a Greek Cypriot. Those that matter my little poor piece of shit, are us the people of this country, and not your Anglo-American masters that you do not forget to pay tribute to them. Thanks god your slave mentality is not shared by the vast majority of the people of this country, who know how to respect and honour both their history and their dignity. If it is in our destiny to go down in history, we prefer to do so with our heads up and with our dignity, and not on our knees and bending! Since those thinking in your way are a very tiny minority, I suggest you to put a fez, cross north and become a janissary, so that you spare your life and do not become the victim of our choices to struggle and fight for our rights and our dignity.

As for your claims about a Bi-zonal and a Bi-communal Federation, again you show how clueless you are, because there are UN SC resolutions giving definitions as to what the above terms imply, as well as about the term referring to "political equality," and I suggest you to go and find them before farting like a donkey in the forums.

And now you are free to go and kiss your British masters ass!