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[Kifeas]

Pyrpolyser, whom would you like to be elected to the top job?

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the Greek speaking Janissaries, it will either be Papadopoulos or Makriyiannis, if he returns from his grave by the time the elections will take place.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kifeas you did not answer my question. Did you sue Papadopoulos yes or no?

[BirKibrisli]

I think it is time we all stopped and thought about this. Why has the western media seemingly turned against the official ROC line?
The answer for me is very simple. Because the EU and America have decided the interests or self-interests of global capitalism dictates that Turkey be accomodated on the Cyprus issue.And on a few other issues as well. It is time for us to realise that putting all one's eggs in one basket has badly backfired on Papadopoulos,and it is time to change course.
There will be no forced EU solution for Cyprus. Insisting on that card only makes the de facto partition more and more real each passing day.
It makes me very sad to see that most of us have resigned to the fact that there wll never be reunification unless it is by force of arms.
Thinking that one day (in how many centuries?) Cyprus will be militarily strong enough to take her land back from the Turkish army,is to put it mildly, a gross cogniitive distortion.It will never happen.This is forcing the TCs to assimilate with the settlers,and one day will probably force the GCs to assimilate with their Greek cousins.The losers will be the real Cypriots.
All those who cannot imagine Cyprus without her TCs and her GCs.Without her churches and mosques. without her church bells and ezans (call to prayers). Without her blue and white houses,grape trellises,jasmin flowers, and little cafes by the sea.Without the sound of Greek and Turkish Cypriot language and music.Without the smell of our delicious unique Cypriot cuizine,without the smell of Zivania,halloumi,sheftali kebab,31 and Koumandaria,without her molohia and kolokas...

[zan]

And on a few other issues as well

Please expand Bir.....

[BirKibrisli]

And on a few other issues as well

Please expand Bir.....

Well,I think Turkey is becoming more and more important strategically for the West and especially the USA.Both as a member of NATO,and as the only democratic Islamic state. Turkey is seen as a positive example for the other Islamic states in the Middle East. A bridge between the East and West if you like. It was not accidental that the Pope's first visit to an Islamic state was to Turkey. And of course she is indispensable for the American efforts of fighting global terrorism.
Turkey is also a present and future natural conduit for oil and natural gas,and a break on the political ambitions of Islamic countries like Iran.
It is wishful thinking to believe that America and the West would risk aleniating Turkey for the increasingly illusionary moral values like justice and fairness...Sad but true in my humble opinion.

[zan]

And on a few other issues as well

Please expand Bir.....

Well,I think Turkey is becoming more and more important strategically for the West and especially the USA.Both as a member of NATO,and as the only democratic Islamic state. Turkey is seen as a positive example for the other Islamic states in the Middle East. A bridge between the East and West if you like. It was not accidental that the Pope's first visit to an Islamic state was to Turkey. And of course she is indispensable for the American efforts of fighting global terrorism.
Turkey is also a present and future natural conduit for oil and natural gas,and a break on the political ambitions of Islamic countries like Iran.
It is wishful thinking to believe that America and the West would risk aleniating Turkey for the increasingly illusionary moral values like justice and fairness...Sad but true in my humble opinion.

So it is indeed a conspiracy and nothing else............iyo

[BirKibrisli]

I don't know about conspiracy,Zan.
I am trying to point out that to believe that Cypro will be solved via EU pressure on Turkey is a dangerous illusion. It will not happen.It will bring about permanent Partition. You will end up living in the TRNC dominated totally by the settlers. I will end up living in the ROC which will be the home of authentic Cypriot culture,till some idiot finds out I am of TC origin and bashes my head in. I will die in my own country,while you go on living in a foreign land...I am not sure which one of us would fare better...

[zan]

Sorry mate but what you wrote above sounds very much like a conspiracy that even includes the pope. It also gives the fuel for those that think this is all Turkeys doing and therefore implicates the TCs. I mean, I can understand a few journalists being bought off but the numbers do not add up. Could the popes visit be because of the world tension between Christianity and Islam and not for the Turkeys EU accessions. Could the world now be realising that the RoC and the treatment of the TCs by the successive GC governments be the problem. Could it be that all the screaming and shouting we are doing now is actually getting through and people are taking the time to find out the truth. You blame the policy of Tpap for a solution and not the unfair treatment of the TCs. Could it now be a fact that yes Turkey is needed for EU and American political reasons but the only difference between now and then is the fact that they chose to ignore our plight in the past because they did not need Turkey. So the only thing that has changed is the need for Turkey and not the facts that are now being reported. Could it?

[zan]

By the way, what do you propose doing with the settlers?

[BirKibrisli]

I think you are giving the World powers too much human credibility,Zan...
I don't think there is an intentional "conspiracy" as such. Just that global capitalist interests now plainly dictate that Turkey must be supported over Cyprus. The western media do not need any orders from anyone to pull into line. They are mostly owned by the same global capitalist interests anyway. They just naturally do the bidding of their masters.
What is fair or just or right or wrong have very little to do with anything in the present world affairs. Greed and self intereset dominates everything.
Cyprus and Cypriots are small fish in a big pond. We could eat each other up for all that they care...as long as we don't touch their political and economic interests. Time for us to wake up and realise this. Or else we are doomed...Confined to history's rubish bin as naive and easily manipulated people who were their own worse enemy...