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[uzan]

does any one know what will happen next year

[magikthrill]

I'm not sure what will happen but I can tell you one thing that wont be happening. And that's Turkey wont be joining the EU.

[brother]

So now you posses the gift of forsight into the future, well then tell us what will happen in cyprus then.

[uzan]

I'm not sure what will happen but I can tell you one thing that wont be happening. And that's Turkey wont be joining the EU.

my dear compratriot, If Turkey stays out of EU North Cyprus will not return to its 1960 state of affairs and that's suits me fine.
Because history proved that as long as the helenism together with Greek Orthodoxy continues to dominate Cyprus politics we will never be able to co-exist in harmony. I know what I am talking about because I am over 65 m years old andwas born and broaght up in Karpasia and further more my mother language is Greek or rathe Greek Cypriot. I remember the days
when I was treated the same way by the Greek Orthodox Cypriots as the Southern Americans treated the black Americans or probably a better example the way the Black South Africans were treated by the White citizens
of that country Now How do you feel about that my dear young man

[Saint Jimmy]

Uzan you are right in your argument that history can teach us that. But I think that's not the only thing it can teach us. It's not that simple. Before GCs treated you like that, things were pretty much alright, a Cypriot was a Cypriot. At least, that's what I read in my books. I learnt that this whole mess began in the 50s, when the GCs started the EOKA fight by themselves, got rid of the Brits, and then they felt that they owned the liberation of Cyprus. I think that's probably where shit started hitting the fan.
The point is that today something is different: we know that if we get wild, we could get screwed (that goes for both of us, GCs and TCs). That's why I voted "Yes" to the plan: I believe that even mediocre solutions can work, if we make them work. And the reason I feel we would make it work is just that... Because we've already been there, and we wouldn't be stupid enough to go there again.

[insan]

Greek nationalism had its hesitant beginnings in Cyprus at the end of the eighteenth century at a time when there was emerging a commercial merchant class along with a tax-farming class.[26] A small segment of Cypriot society became sensitive to Greek nationalist influences penetrating the island in the first two decades of the nineteenth century. No fully - fledged mass nationalist movement was evident in Cyprus during the last fifty years of Ottoman rule, but there is more than ample evidence to support the British Consular Report of 1866 that “the townspeople (of Cyprus) had become inculcated by the Hellenic Idea”.[27]

This nationalist orientation spread from prelates and notables to the mass of the Greek Cypriot population. The Greek Orthodox Church was the irredentist nationalist movement’s foremost exponent through its maintenance and control of education. The increase in literacy meant the spread of nationalist ideology, the social and national indoctrination of the younger generations. Moreover, Greek Cypriot students attended secondary schooling in Greece and to these were added later students at the University of Athens. Teachers from Greece staffed Cypriot schools especially in the decades before and after the British occupation in 1878. These efforts were reinforced by the assistance of organisations specifically structured to promote Greek Cypriot nationalism.[28] The whole structure to promote neo-Hellenic nationalism in Cyprus operated openly and more freely after the British occupation.

Yet cooperation and peaceful coexistence between the two major communities, while possible, had their limitations. As Mehmet Rifat Effendi, the owner-editor of the Turkish newspaper Masum Millet (Innocent Nation) pointed out: “With the exception of their (the Greek Cypriots’) national aspiration, everything detrimental to us is also detrimental to them. From the present poverty of our country both brother elements are affected”.[32]

When, however, the Greek Cypriot representatives suggested constitutional changes that would have produced a responsible as well as a representative system with majority rule, the Turkish Cypriot representatives chose to side with the official members to block Greek Cypriot initiatives as was done also on a number of other issues such as supply.[36]

"Majority Rule" stance of Hellen side still form the core point of the problem...





http://www.paseka.org/DocsSci/Cyprus-Th ... litics.htm

[pantelis]

Insan,
How does your logic on the Cyprus issues apply to the issues raised with the elections in Ukraine?

[Alasya]

there is always hope