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[Kikapu]

[And this war thing is something that is invented by idiots to scare the children. War cannot happen for many reasons and the RoC being in the EU is one of them. You can make as many "threats" as you like it is simply not going to happen.

I don't talk about war, but since it has being brought up, RoC being in the EU has nothing to lose, if there was a war.

Let's just say RoC decides to instigates a war with the TRNC. After 33 years of anger and pain, I believe every able GC will pick up a gun, to join the fight. Turkey will start shooting up the place.

Don't you think other EU member willl come to help the RoC. Even if not to fight against Turkey, at least to stop the fighting. If the RoC loses some ground, they will for sure, get it back later. If they gain ground, they will for sure, get to keep it. Other than solving the Cyprus problems jointly by political means, the other option might be, as I described it above. If you don't have anything to lose, you go for it.

[zan]

Zan , happy new year , Cyprus needs a war like it needs a Tsunami to wipe us all off .

Happy New Year to you too Militades and I hope you and your family are well. Don't be too disheartened by all the negativity, these things have a habit of sorting themselves out. The thing is that now and maybe for a while yet the disease will fester at its worst and then a reasonable recovery will begin. Don't be too impatient.

[Pyrpolizer]

While I understand the anger and the frustration which is behind the veiled threat of War "when the balance of power changes",I can't but despair that some people see war as a way to achieve a just and durable "peace"...A large scale armed conflict will be the final disaster in Cyprus.Whoever wins it will be only a phyrric victory,and the wheels of anger and resentment will turn again...Sometimes I think we are not at all interested in finding a solution. We just want revenge,to rub the other side's nose in it!

We are where we are because we allowed others to manipulate us via blind nationalism,because we let people divide us along ethnic lines to stop us from becoming one people and one nation. The only way to a durable peace in Cyprus is by shedding our ethnic identities,and embracing our true nationality.we are Cypriots.Cyprus is our motherland.We have no other land to call our own.We share a common history,culture,traditions,sense of humour,folklore,cusine,mentality...you name it. Yet our two differences (language and religion) are two chains on our minds and hearts.Keeping us ties to imaginary "motherlands" and ethnic cousins.Unless we break these chains we are doomed.One day in not so distant future the nation of Cypriots will be extinct.We will be all Greeks or all Turks.Make no mistake about that.

What if all Cypriots spoke both languages and learned both religions?
Is it really that inconcievable that with our huge human brain we can manage to take in two languages and two religions,and learn where to use which to our best advantage.If we really wanted to create a nation of Cypriots,would it be that difficult to start planning for it now instead of bickering about the terrible events in the past and the fears for the future.

Starting from tonight (it's 1.18 am down under) I will do everything practical and possible to learn Cypriot Greek,and to learn all about the Orthodox religion. And I will encourage my 3 children to do the same.
This will be my little personal contribution to the future nation of Cypriots.
Anyone care to join me???

Birkibrisli,

I apologise if my post looked like as if I wanted to pose some veiled threads but how could I explain to VP that what we have now is not really "peace". This "peace" thing is a sophistry invented by Denktash. According to VP lets continue as we are we have "peace" everything is fine.The truth is we dont have real peace. If this situation continues sooner or later there will be war.

I personally don't want that. I want everybody to get his rights.

On a side note I admire your posts. I consider you a voice of wisdom in here.

And this war thing is something that is invented by idiots to scare the children. War cannot happen for many reasons and the RoC being in the EU is one of them. You can make as many "threats" as you like it is simply not going to happen.

If that's what you crystal ball says, then it must be true, how can anyone deny it?

Do I recall right, an EU country attacking Iraq or something, just a few months ago?

[zan]

Now lets put these two countries on the scale...

RoC..............
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O .......................
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England


Happy New Year Pyro.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh right, how could I miss that? The EU would never let war happen in Cyprus because Cyprus is so much less weight than England!!
You never cease to amaze me zany.

[zan]

Oh right, how could I miss that? The EU would never let war happen in Cyprus because Cyprus is so much less weight than England!!
You never cease to amaze me zany.

The problem is that they would not want to get embroiled in a war, which could escalate into something big from a piss ass country like the RoC. If you think that you are going to persuade the EU that you can attack anyone without his or her consent then you are deluded. That is the reason that they allowed the RoC in to give them control, and you guys claim it as a victory. Well you can but you can't raise your arms in victory because they are tied behind your back. I for one welcome that fact and you should too if you are not a warmonger or are you going to say that it is out of your hands Pontius Pilot.

[Kifeas]

Now you are talking sense and you have included many elements which would be acceptable to the majority of TCs,

Unlike Bananiot and most TCs in the forum, I always talk sense. Thank you!

We have absolutely no problem living with GCs or do we wish to force Kemalism or Religion on anyone,

You did seem to have a problem accepting that you will have to live and share the north with Greek Cypriots, and you did try to force Kemalism on those GCs wishing to return and live in the north; and both of them were very profoundly manifested in the way the Annan plan turned out to have been, adding in this way another one reason among those that compelled the Greek Cypriots to reject it. Now you have the audacity to shamelessly try and blame the Greek Cypriots for having rejected it!

[zan]

Now you are talking sense and you have included many elements which would be acceptable to the majority of TCs,

Unlike Bananiot and most TCs in the forum, I always talk sense. Thank you!

We have absolutely no problem living with GCs or do we wish to force Kemalism or Religion on anyone,

You did seem to have a problem accepting that you will have to live and share the north with Greek Cypriots, and you did try to force Kemalism on those GCs wishing to return and live in the north; and both of them were very profoundly manifested in the way the Annan plan turned out to have been, adding in this way another one reason among those that compelled the Greek Cypriots to reject it. Now you have the audacity to shamelessly try and blame the Greek Cypriots for having rejected it!

To you any thing that remotely has links to be Turkish is Kemalism so how can we win with you any shape or form. Nothing short of converting to Helenism is good enough for you when most of us TCs are happy to leave you as you are.

[growuptcs]

zan wrote:

Nothing short of converting to Helenism is good enough for you when most of us TCs are happy to leave you as you are.

I got an idea Zan, lets negotiate terms using an etcha-sketch board, and i'll reward you with a candy bar everytime you make sense, instead of pushing accusations of idle thoughts and gestures.

[zan]

zan wrote:

Nothing short of converting to Helenism is good enough for you when most of us TCs are happy to leave you as you are.

I got an idea Zan, lets negotiate terms using an etcha-sketch board, and i'll reward you with a candy bar everytime you make sense, instead of pushing accusations of idle thoughts and gestures.

If you have still got an etcho-sketch then lets go for it baby boy.