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[Kifeas]

I tried to put my views forward in a polite and civilised way and all I got is verbal abuse and cynisism. If this can happen now, almost three years after the referendum, one can imagine how things were in April 2003. The "no" supporters run rampage, and a climate of fear was cultivated by the bigots. A friend of mine dared to put a "yes" sticker on the windscreen of his car. In a few hours the windscreen was smashed to smitherins. All "yes" kiosks in Nicosia were vandalised and destroyed. Today, after so much time has passed, the bigots still go about their fascist ways. Just compare, lets say Akinci in the north, whose views on many occasions are similar to ours. Only "Volkan" and the Grey Wolves have acused him of being a paid agent of the Greeks. Yet, on our side the accusation that someone is a paid agent of the Turks is always on the tip of the tongue of the President himself who has charged the opposition of treason in many occasions. The political culture in our side is non existent, thanks to our government that promotes political practices that should have been eradicated decades ago.

I would like to ask Miltiades something. You seem to have great respect for Klerides. I do too. He is probably the only statesman that came out of Cyprus. Klerides still reckons that the Annan Plan is miles better than what the future holds for us as a result of our loud "no" vote. Do you think he is a traitor too? Do you think he is irresponsible or stupid to be steadfast in his belief that the Annan Plan was the solution under the circumstances?

I am no going to comment on the contributions of some of the users but I think the contribution of Pyrpolyser stands out. It is a monument of stupidity and bizarre thinking. Please read it carefully:

I am also of the opinion that there will not be a solution, at least they way we think the solution will come. However things will not stay as they are either. Imo there will be changes coming from unilateral measures. The lifting of the borders the pseudo had for so many years brought up tremendous changes.I beleive the side who will win the race of unilateral actions for their benefit will be the winners in the end.
Such unilateral actions would perhaps be if Famagusta is returned in a way that would benefit the occupation regime, and also convince some initially few GCs to return.This could only happened if it were returned to the UN. Another unilateral action would be for RoC to do everything is needed to bring as many TCs back in the free areas by providing even free housing and giving them political rights. If the numbers reach lets say 40,000 then negotiate with them for a new constitution
I am absolutely convinced the side that will manage to win this race will be the winner.
A solution will come after each side will want to finalise/legalise/cover up things that will have already occured.

After I read the above I wanted to bang my head on the wall for having taking him seriously at times.

Akinci's views have nothing to do with yours, and this is just a fallacy you are trying to pass around! I happened to have spoken with a number of Akinci's supporters (and some of CPT’s most sensible ones,) and they all have had the courage to admit in no uncertain terms that if they were Greek Cypriots, now that they had the chance to get into the dirty details of it, they would have voted "No" to the Annan plan! If you wish to challenge me on this, I can give you some names in private, which will shock you!

[MR-from-NG]

Clerides: Papadopoulos' Cyprus policy is absurd

Former Greek Cypriot administration leader Glafcos Clerides rebuked on Tuesday current leader Tassos Papadopoulos' Cyprus policy, describing it as an "absurdity."

In his remarks published in Turkish Cypriot newspapers, Clerides also warned that if Papadopoulos keeps up with his current policy, it will push the Greek Cypriots to accept confederation, a prospect that the Greek Cypriots have been struggling against.

"Both the European Union and United Nations stated that the Turkish Cypriots won't continue to live under isolation since the Turkish Cypriots want to begin trade, use their harbors and airports and get financial support," Clerides said. "The ending of isolation of the Turkish Cypriots will bring a step-by-step recognition of the regime there. If the Turkish Cypriots manage to win international recognition, their requests during Cyprus peace talks will be more. The bitter part of this development will be this: Although we can talk about the establishment of a federation on Cyprus now, we won't be talking about it when their regime becomes legitimate. Then a solution will be found in a confederation, an idea we have been struggling against for many years."

Papadopoulos: Key to Cyprus solution in Ankara's hands

Papadopoulos stressed that dialogue for a solution is the responsibility of the two communities on the island of Cyprus, adding, however, that the key to the solution lies with Ankara, which according to him dictates "unacceptable terms and unreasonable demands."

In his New Year's message, Papadopoulos also made references to the July 8 agreement for a solution on the island and said, "No dialogue can bring substantial results if Ankara is unwilling to allow its fruition."

"The Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots together can reach a solution," he said. "We ourselves, undistracted by outside interventions, can bring down the walls of separation and consolidate peace, prosperity and progress in our common homeland, which is so big as to have room for all of us, but too small to be divided."

Time is on Babaniot's side. You will all see that he was right all along. He doesn't stick his head in sand or let his nationalistic fanaticism blind him. You will one day realise that Papad policies are nothing but a creation of his hatred for TC's, he is an EOKA fanatic, he is dragging you all into a dark pit but you are too blinkered to see it. Thank god Babaniot doesn't fall into your category. I hope when he is proven right you will have the decency to apologize to him.

Read the above and you decide.

[Bananiot]

I know Akinci personally. I spoke with him several times and I know exactly what his feelings are. However, this is not the point I was trying to make. My point was the difference in political culture on the two sides of the divide.

Klerides makes a number of revelations in his new book. He reveals the rreason why Christofias switched from "yes" to "no" overnight. Papadopoulos threatened him that if the party decided to vote for solution then the Ministers that came from AKEL would need to hand in their resignations. Christofias duly switched to the rejectionist camp.

[Kifeas]

There are very bitter answers to the above my friend. Papadopoulos is a very shrwed man and he knows only too well that if he pushes for a solution he will have to face an Annan plan situation again. He knows that the solution that will be proposed will be one based on BBF. Thus, his term is nearly out and yet he has not made one constructive gesture at starting the solution process.

The above is a paragraph that Bananiot has just posted in another forum. Read the unfair spiteful criticism he makes towards Papadopoulos!

After the referendum, the Anglo-Americans and some circles within the EU commission and the UN (Kofi Annan) have turned all their criticism towards us, because we have spoiled their immoral attempt to push down on us their plan. One year after that, in May 2005, Papadopoulos took the initiative to sent Tzionis to New York and presented to him in detail all our areas of concern on the rightfully failed Annan plan. This compelled Kofi Annan to soon, June 2005, sent his envoy, vice secretary general Sir Kieran Prendergast in Greece, Turkey and Cyprus, to test the climate for the resumption of a new initiative. He came and left, and reported to the UN SC that the climate is not yet fertile due to both of the two sides positions (and fault,) thus living the gap between their positions to be quite apart. In other words, for the first time after the referendums, the responsibility is equally distributed on both sides, moving away the previously unfair attempts by the UN SG and his envoys to load all the responsibility on the GC side, after the referendums. This was due to actions taken by Papadopoulos, who managed to convince to a certain extent the UN that there was merit in our rejection of the Annan plan, and that Turkey should also be prepared to move away from its intransigent positions. This also has prompted Kofi Annan to appoint Moller as his special representative in Cyprus, who has immediately begun to examine and prepare the ground for a possible new initiative.

Six months later, in January and February 2006, Papadopoulos has met Kofi Annan in two occasions, Moscow and Paris, and managed eventually to reassure and convince him of our pro-solution good intentions, on the basis of a BBF, something that compelled Kofi Annan to later sent his envoy Ibrahim Gambari in Cyprus, in summer 2006, who managed to strike an agreement of principles between Talat and Papadopoulos, to seek and to reach a solution of the Cyprus issue on the basis of a BBF, the so called 8th of July agreement which both the UN SC and the EU have saluted.

Yet, pathetic Bananiot has the audacity, with all the above in mind, to lie, throw dirt and accuse Papadopoulos that “He knows that the solution that will be proposed will be one based on BBF. Thus, his term is nearly out and yet he has not made one constructive gesture at starting the solution process.”

Judge by your selves the untruthful and spiteful way by which he approaches the matters!

[Kifeas]

Time is on Babaniot's side. You will all see that he was right all along. He doesn't stick his head in sand or let his nationalistic fanaticism blind him. You will one day realise that Papad policies are nothing but a creation of his hatred for TC's, he is an EOKA fanatic, he is dragging you all into a dark pit but you are too blinkered to see it. Thank god Babaniot doesn't fall into your category. I hope when he is proven right you will have the decency to apologize to him.

Read the above and you decide.

You are the best sloganeer I have ever come across in the forums! I am always very amused by your very thoughtful slogans! You should have sought a job in the Turkish or the “TRNC” foreign ministry. You surely know your stuff too well!

[Bananiot]

Don't make me laugh Kifeas. Papadopoulos can have you believe that he is after a solution based on BBF. That is fine, no envy. However, he cannot take me for a ride.

P.S. Which other forum Kifeas?

[MR-from-NG]

Laugh now, cry later Kifeas. One day you will bite one finger all ten will ache. I will have the last laugh, that's a promise.

[Kifeas]

Don't make me laugh Kifeas. Papadopoulos can have you believe that he is after a solution based on BBF. That is fine, no envy. However, he cannot take me for a ride.

P.S. Which other forum Kifeas?

Why does it matter which other forum? Did you, or did you not say the above?

PS: Certainly Papadopoulos is not interested in any disguised partition co-federal solution between two ethnically based “nation-states,” masqueraded under the tags of a BBF, such as the one your Anglo-American friends and the Turks have tried to pass through with the Annan plan, otherwise he wouldn’t have rejected it.

You just want the Annan plan to come back as it is, so that your decision in the referendum is vindicated. You, like Klerides, only care about your posthumous fame, regardless of the legitimate interests and rights of the GC community. You, like Klerides with his interview the other day in Politis, are even ready to undermine the GC cause, and deliver strikes bellow the belt on Papadopoulos, so that your previous positions are vindicated.

It isn't going to happen Bananiot!

[Kifeas]

Laugh now, cry later Kifeas. One day you will bite one finger all ten will ache. I will have the last laugh, that's a promise.

Anything else "mrfromng?" Do you have anything else, a bit less meaningful and thoughtful this time, to add?

[MR-from-NG]

Yes there is something else. I was wrong to say "I will have the last laugh". Laughing at others misfortune is not something I was taught by my parents. So I will not laugh but I will be bloody annoyed at you all for missing opportunities for peace on our island and dragging it on longer and longer and still you end up in bigger shit than before.

Happy new year to you my blinkered friend.