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[humanist]

I am sad to say that I do not believe that there will be a unified Cyprus ...... Do you actually believe that Mr Talat or Mr Papadopoulos wuld be happy to see a solution knowing full well that one of them would be demoted in their political carreer if there would only be one leader for the newly created united Cyprus? It would take a truly an elightened leader to say I give up my position power staus to see a unified nation where its people live work n play together. I do not believe either men are enlightened to that degree do you?

[pantheman]

I am sad to say that I do not believe that there will be a unified Cyprus ...... Do you actually believe that Mr Talat or Mr Papadopoulos wuld be happy to see a solution knowing full well that one of them would be demoted in their political carreer if there would only be one leader for the newly created united Cyprus? It would take a truly an elightened leader to say I give up my position power staus to see a unified nation where its people live work n play together. I do not believe either men are enlightened to that degree do you?

Humanist, you may have a point, but a puppet does as its master tells it. The strings are attached to turkey and when they pull in one direction so will mr talat go. It has nothing to do with giving up your post, but yurkey getting what it wants before giving an inch of cyprus back to its rightful owners. Oh yes, and that would be the cypriots both Greek AND Turkish.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am also of the opinion that there will not be a solution, at least they way we think the solution will come. However things will not stay as they are either. Imo there will be changes coming from unilateral measures. The lifting of the borders the pseudo had for so many years brought up tremendous changes.I beleive the side who will win the race of unilateral actions for their benefit will be the winners in the end.
Such unilateral actions would perhaps be if Famagusta is returned in a way that would benefit the occupation regime, and also convince some initially few GCs to return.This could only happened if it were returned to the UN. Another unilateral action would be for RoC to do everything is needed to bring as many TCs back in the free areas by providing even free housing and giving them political rights. If the numbers reach lets say 40,000 then negotiate with them for a new constitution
I am absolutely convinced the side that will manage to win this race will be the winner.
A solution will come after each side will want to finalise/legalise/cover up things that will have already occured.

[Pyrpolizer]

As for Bananas we are tired hearing you crying and summarising your thousands of times schizophrenic claims for the Anan Plan.
Forget it , it was rejected finished. "Bitti" as your boss says.

[miltiades]

VP , since I consider you and all the other T/Cs to have equal rights in our country , that is your country and mine , it is imperative that any plan incorporates procedures that safeguard all Cypriots human rights. Fear of violence must be addressed so that all Cypriots feel entirely happy in their own country. The Cypriot government will have to abide by the EU and the ECHR , coupled with guarantees from NATO , USA , Britain but not from Turkey or Greece .

[Viewpoint]

VP , since I consider you and all the other T/Cs to have equal rights in our country , that is your country and mine , it is imperative that any plan incorporates procedures that safeguard all Cypriots human rights. Fear of violence must be addressed so that all Cypriots feel entirely happy in their own country. The Cypriot government will have to abide by the EU and the ECHR , coupled with guarantees from NATO , USA , Britain but not from Turkey or Greece .

So for you its not a problem for the population in the north state being dominated by the GC majority? and the TCs being reduced to just another minority? How will address these issues? how will you balance power sharing and ensure there is no discrimination? will Tcs have to run to the EU every time they want to exercise their rights?

[Kifeas]

Bananiot, the fact that you are in a permanent dissent with almost every single Greek Cypriot in the forum, and even those few Greek Cypriots that have voted “Yes” to the Annan plan, are also distancing themselves from your line of thought, arguments and claims; in conjunction with the other equally undisputable fact that you are constantly applauded and cheered by nearly all of the most reactionary or poorly informed Turkish Cypriot participants in the forum; should be enough evidence for you to realise how wrong your overall stance and attitude are! I hope you take notice of it, and try to find out where you are being wrong. This is all I have to say to you!

PS: Unless you consider this fallen psycho chap from the other forum to be a credible Greek Cypriot case to be on your side, probably the only one that so far seems to be in line with your thoughts.

[miltiades]

VP , No minorities or majorities , I said so before and reiterate now . We are one people and the more of us begin to feel this way the more minority and majority issues will seize to exist , I understand that this will take time , but if I can do it so can the vast majority of serious thinking Cypriots. My main concern is with the new generation coming up now and being taught the "motherland shit "we had to endure . The constitution of the CR coupled with EU directives safeguards your interests and mine in a united Cyprus , in a United Cyprus where our President could be a T/C , Armenian or G/C. This is my dream and it will happen , its happening right here in the UK .

""So for you its not a problem for the population in the north state being dominated by the GC majority? and the TCs being reduced to just another minority? How will address these issues? how will you balance power sharing and ensure there is no discrimination? will Tcs have to run to the EU every time they want to exercise their rights?""

[Kifeas]

VP , since I consider you and all the other T/Cs to have equal rights in our country , that is your country and mine , it is imperative that any plan incorporates procedures that safeguard all Cypriots human rights. Fear of violence must be addressed so that all Cypriots feel entirely happy in their own country. The Cypriot government will have to abide by the EU and the ECHR , coupled with guarantees from NATO , USA , Britain but not from Turkey or Greece .

So for you its not a problem for the population in the north state being dominated by the GC majority? and the TCs being reduced to just another minority? How will address these issues? how will you balance power sharing and ensure there is no discrimination? will Tcs have to run to the EU every time they want to exercise their rights?

VP, with the right territorial adjustment (not the Annan plan suggested one,) and provided that the biggest portion of the TC community stays within the boundaries of the "North" state, there is no feasible way the GCs will ever become the majority in this state, even in the long run. Nevertheless, we can always find ways to regulate this issue, such as a closure which will regulate permanent residency status on the basis of the territorial ratios. This means for example that if one State amounts to the 25% of the territory of Cyprus, and the other one the remaining, then the percentage of Cypriot citizens holding permanent residency in each State will be approximately about the same as that of the territories of eah state, or plus /minus 1%-2% of that figure. Otherwise the federal government, together with both states, should take measures, primarily of economic nature incentives, but not only, in order to maintain this territory vs. population balance ratios. This automatically guaranties a TC majority in the "north" state, since already the 18% of people will be filled up by TCs. However, if for whatever reason, the TCs decide to empty the north by large numbers, and any measure to the contrary proves ineffective, then this will not mean that the north state will remain empty of Cypriot people, so that a TC majority of permanet residents is always and for ever present. Lastly, always remember that if you want no Greek Cypriots among your selves, so that your ethnic purity is not contaminated, you can always stay within only the 18% of the Cyprus territory.

Furthermore, you should realize that the north state will not institutionally become or regarded of your exclusive TC "ethnic" ownership (as you have tried to secure in the Annan plan,) and any GCs that will be returning to settle in the north should have no cultural and /or political rights (again as you have tried to secure in the Annan plan,) and that they should also be required to worship the father of the Turks (Ataturk) and take an oath in his name should they seek election in the north state's legislature (as you again have tried to secure in the Annan plan;) issues the majority of Greek Cypriots consider particularly immoral on your part to have tried to sneak them through in the immoral and illegitimate Annan plan. If you wish to worship the "father" of the Turks and the father of pervasive modern Turkish nationalism, you are free to do it day and night, but you have to realize that for Cyprus and for the Greek Cypriots he is nothing, with all due respect!

[Bananiot]

I tried to put my views forward in a polite and civilised way and all I got is verbal abuse and cynisism. If this can happen now, almost three years after the referendum, one can imagine how things were in April 2003. The "no" supporters run rampage, and a climate of fear was cultivated by the bigots. A friend of mine dared to put a "yes" sticker on the windscreen of his car. In a few hours the windscreen was smashed to smitherins. All "yes" kiosks in Nicosia were vandalised and destroyed. Today, after so much time has passed, the bigots still go about their fascist ways. Just compare, lets say Akinci in the north, whose views on many occasions are similar to ours. Only "Volkan" and the Grey Wolves have acused him of being a paid agent of the Greeks. Yet, on our side the accusation that someone is a paid agent of the Turks is always on the tip of the tongue of the President himself who has charged the opposition of treason in many occasions. The political culture in our side is non existent, thanks to our government that promotes political practices that should have been eradicated decades ago.

I would like to ask Miltiades something. You seem to have great respect for Klerides. I do too. He is probably the only statesman that came out of Cyprus. Klerides still reckons that the Annan Plan is miles better than what the future holds for us as a result of our loud "no" vote. Do you think he is a traitor too? Do you think he is irresponsible or stupid to be steadfast in his belief that the Annan Plan was the solution under the circumstances?

I am no going to comment on the contributions of some of the users but I think the contribution of Pyrpolyser stands out. It is a monument of stupidity and bizarre thinking. Please read it carefully:

I am also of the opinion that there will not be a solution, at least they way we think the solution will come. However things will not stay as they are either. Imo there will be changes coming from unilateral measures. The lifting of the borders the pseudo had for so many years brought up tremendous changes.I beleive the side who will win the race of unilateral actions for their benefit will be the winners in the end.
Such unilateral actions would perhaps be if Famagusta is returned in a way that would benefit the occupation regime, and also convince some initially few GCs to return.This could only happened if it were returned to the UN. Another unilateral action would be for RoC to do everything is needed to bring as many TCs back in the free areas by providing even free housing and giving them political rights. If the numbers reach lets say 40,000 then negotiate with them for a new constitution
I am absolutely convinced the side that will manage to win this race will be the winner.
A solution will come after each side will want to finalise/legalise/cover up things that will have already occured.

After I read the above I wanted to bang my head on the wall for having taking him seriously at times.