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[BirKibrisli]

What constructive discussions? I 've been there, they don't discuss anything. They are exactly like Zan. Try to open a conversation and they either curse or say some meaningless rhetorics. Basically they are 1960 TMTs.

One says now that the GCs said no to the Anan Plan Talat should go ahead openly and ask for recognition. "What is he waiting for?"
A choir jumps up and applauses. Try to start a discussion you are banned within seconds.

The tragedy is Pyro that they totally lack empathy. They cannot put themselves in your shoes. So they cannot feel your pain and suffering.
But what about you? Are you doing anything different? Can you put yourself in the shoes of those who went through hell during the 63 to 74 period,simply because they were TCs? Can you understand their pain and suffering,and their need to preserve their sense of physical security?
Can you feel their fear of discrimination and abuse if they ever find themselves in the position of a "helpless minority" again?
People are conditioned animals.They have a strong sense of territory,and a strong need for physical security.Words are not enough to guarantee that the past will not be repeated under unification.As the strong side in Cyprus,the side with all the governmental powers,I feel the ROC government is not doing anywhere near enough to win over those TCs who know they have more in common with the GCs than the Turks from the mainland.Even the likes of Sener Levent and Mustafa Akinci are becoming disillusioned with the efforts of the Tpap to embrace the TCs politically,and return their political rights denied to them since 1964.

Tpap,for reasons known only to him,are doing everything to prove those who say the GCs will never share political power with the TCs right.Tell me,do you think that is a smart move from a competent politician???

[BirKibrisli]

BK, Atca members represent a very small minority of TC's. I would just let them get on with it.

How about you entering a constructive dialogue with the likes of Kifeas, Piratis, Sotos, Pyrpolizer and many more on this forum who represent the vast majority of GC's. There is far more to be done on this forum than there is at ATCA.

I am not sure the ATCA members represent a small minority,mrfro...
Not any more anyway.I think if the AP referandum was to be held again today,an overwhelming majority of TCs (and I don't mean the settlers) would reject it out of hand. Partition is becoming the natural state of affairs. Even those who dispair at the loss of Cypriot culture and identity cannot bring themselves to trust Tpap and his government. This is a real problem,a big obstacle on the road to a solution. In modern politics,impressions are everything. And the impression most TCs are getting is that Tpap would rather have the status quo (partition) than any compromise to allow for an interim solution towards final agreement.
Right or wrong,it is that impression which is winning hearts and minds in the North...And screaming abuse at the ATCA members in their own forum will not help things one iota...

ps I'd like to think that I am having a constructive dialogue with those you named above.I'd like to think that I have given them plenty of food for thought,as they have given me...empathy is the key...There is very little of it about. From both sides.

[Pyrpolizer]

Empathy is what is needed alright Bir.

On the other hand such discussion forums-in fact every Cyprob forum thrives on disagreement and fighting. Believe it or not some kind of empathy is built even through this fighting. And I believe it is better than the unconditional type of empathy.

You are of the second type, I fully respect you, and I like reading your posts. You will not get many replies though, despite the fact your posts worth gold.

You said I cannot put my self in the shoes of the TCs. That's a wrong conclusion. I know it comes from your observation that I attack those TCs who totally lack this ability to think of the other side too, and come here with all these schizophrenic ideas as if their own community is all that matters in Cyprus. You have to watch my posts more carefully I think.

I am not a Bananas who tries to make even the TC partitionists like him.

[Pyrpolizer]

FYi Talat is about to resign because the militants don't let him even dismantle a small metallic bridge. So even if we bring up an angel for President, I don't think anything could happen because of Ankara and its militants.

These are just speculation. He has denied he had a problem with the military. Furthermore he said if there was any truth in these speculations he would not resign as resigning is a sign of weakness. He has a mission and a vision on the Cyprob so he will continue.

I believe he genuinely wants some progress in 2007, lets hope your side will accommodate and not hinder.

He has denied he has a problem with the military, then why is the bridge standing there intact after 15 days? Lack of workers to do a 5 minute job?

[BirKibrisli]

Thank you for your kind remarks regarding my posts,Pyro.
Although it is good to get responses and be liked by people, it is not my first priority in these forums. I want to help improve the trust and understanding between us,so that we might want to live together again sometime soon before it is too late. It frustrates me no end that most people cannot see we are really one nation,one people separated by two artificial(manmade) factors.
It seems to matter little that biologically we share the same gene pool,and we are different from our respective mainland cousins.They might be our cousins but we are brothers and sisters,literally according to our DNA. It is painful for me to see the slow assimilation of the TC culture within the Turkish culture,with not very many of my TC compatriots giving a damn about losing their Cypriot identity .There are still a few odd voices in the TC media lamenting the fact that they now feel like strangers in their own country. And soon there will be very few of us left who remember what it was like before December, 1963...You can kiss goodbye to any hopes of reunification then. My frustration with people's endless bickering comes from the fear I have for the future of our beloved Cyprus...

[BirKibrisli]

FYi Talat is about to resign because the militants don't let him even dismantle a small metallic bridge. So even if we bring up an angel for President, I don't think anything could happen because of Ankara and its militants.

These are just speculation. He has denied he had a problem with the military. Furthermore he said if there was any truth in these speculations he would not resign as resigning is a sign of weakness. He has a mission and a vision on the Cyprob so he will continue.

I believe he genuinely wants some progress in 2007, lets hope your side will accommodate and not hinder.

He has denied he has a problem with the military, then why is the bridge standing there intact after 15 days? Lack of workers to do a 5 minute job?

Poor Talat has been left with egg on his face.
The General has issued a statement today saying that Talat was fully briefed on the Turkish army's objections re the removal of that infamous bridge,during their meeting yesterday. According to General Buyukanit there is an undeclared seize-fire in Cyprus,and as long as that continues the authority of the Turkish Army surpasses that of all administrative authority,including that of the President.
So there we have it.Talat cannot even have a bridge removed from his country without the military's approval. The only honourable thing left for him is to resign straight away,but I am not holding my breath...