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[mehmet]

It'n no excuse, if you were an Greek Cypriot opponent of EOKA (and at that time not everyone was falling over themselves to get into bed with Greece) and a Turkish Cypriot there were many sensible reasons for escaping the political situation to come to England.

[Pyrpolizer]

If you can't put two and two together and insist on propaganda to back up your ridiculous claims then I would give it up.

Here's some propaganda nonsense for you zany.
Use a calculator to do your estimates, but just to be sure it works punch "2+2=" and see the result first.If it outputs "propaganda" don't proceed

http://www.country-studies.com/cyprus/population.html

Population in 1960: 441,000 GCs, 103,000 TCs…

Emigration from Cyprus:
1955-59: 29,000 (GCs+TCs)
1960-70:50,000 (GCs+TCs)
1974-79: 51,500 (all GCs-no figures for the occupied)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriot_diaspora

Emigration from "trnc"
1974-2006: 55,000 1 out of 2 TCs!!!

[zan]

If you can't put two and two together and insist on propaganda to back up your ridiculous claims then I would give it up.

Here's some propaganda nonsense for you zany.
Use a calculator to do your estimates, but just to be sure it works punch "2+2=" and see the result first.If it outputs "propaganda" don't proceed

http://www.country-studies.com/cyprus/population.html

Population in 1960: 441,000 GCs, 103,000 TCs…

Emigration from Cyprus:
1955-59: 29,000 (GCs+TCs)
1960-70:50,000 (GCs+TCs)
1974-79: 51,500 (all GCs-no figures for the occupied)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriot_diaspora

Emigration from "trnc"
1974-2006: 55,000 1 out of 2 TCs!!!

See again yours adds up to 5.

What does that prove? What it proves is that that since 1955 the Greek insurgence and the THREAT of war because of EOKA dreams caused thousands of Cypriots to leave the island. The very dates prove that because they coincide with all the uprisings of EOKA. Even after the intervention people left the island because of a threat of war all started by EOKA dreams of ENOSIS. It is only recently that people are starting to return because they have realised that that threat has gone away and they feel safe enough to return. The EU has put a stop to that and thank god that it has gone away. It is only people like you and a couple of others that spread the idea that war is still on the cards that is making the sum add up to five but we are not that silly anymore. Your idea of war is a stupid as Jamaica attacking the USA, it aint gonna happen. Press the clear button and start again.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are so sloppy and lazy zany, that did not even read what the articles say about emigration. Well here it is for you, open your eyes and read carefully.

Emigration of Cypriots abroad has often been on a large enough scale to affect population growth. As a demographic phenomenon, it has been viewed as an extension of rural to urban movement. At times when a future in the towns was unpromising for those intent on escaping rural poverty, there was the additional safety value of emigration. Cypriots frequently availed themselves of this opportunity instead of living in crowded slums in their country's towns, and their relatively small numbers meant that recipient countries could easily absorb them. Although there was emigration as early as the 1930s, there is no available data before 1955…..

The figures prove beyond any doubt that the emigration rate was about the same before 1960 as it was after and it included both GCs and TCs. The facts say that we have no GC or TC seriously claiming he emigrated before 1960 just because of the anti-colonial struggle, and no serious report could put forward such a claim. (unless of course written by you) The facts say that each and every TC (including you) claims he emigrated in the 60s, -more favorable dates been the 63,or 67, whereas figures prove the majority of TCs emigrated before or after that period. The figures say that 1 out of 2 TCs emigrated from the "trnc" however you will not find even one TC admitting he emigrated from the "trnc". Everybody emigrated in 1963 because he was killed by the GCs!!!
I bet your calculator now shows E.

As for your war nonsense, go read the discussion from the beginning as I am tired answering your idiocys out of context.

[zan]

You are so sloppy and lazy zany, that did not even read what the articles say about emigration. Well here it is for you, open your eyes and read carefully.

Emigration of Cypriots abroad has often been on a large enough scale to affect population growth. As a demographic phenomenon, it has been viewed as an extension of rural to urban movement. At times when a future in the towns was unpromising for those intent on escaping rural poverty, there was the additional safety value of emigration. Cypriots frequently availed themselves of this opportunity instead of living in crowded slums in their country's towns, and their relatively small numbers meant that recipient countries could easily absorb them. Although there was emigration as early as the 1930s, there is no available data before 1955…..

The figures prove beyond any doubt that the emigration rate was about the same before 1960 as it was after and it included both GCs and TCs. The facts say that we have no GC or TC seriously claiming he emigrated before 1960 just because of the anti-colonial struggle, and no serious report could put forward such a claim. (unless of course written by you) The facts say that each and every TC (including you) claims he emigrated in the 60s, -more favorable dates been the 63,or 67, whereas figures prove the majority of TCs emigrated before or after that period. The figures say that 1 out of 2 TCs emigrated from the "trnc" however you will not find even one TC admitting he emigrated from the "trnc". Everybody emigrated in 1963 because he was killed by the GCs!!!
I bet your calculator now shows E.

As for your war nonsense, go read the discussion from the beginning as I am tired answering your idiocys out of context.

Again you either choose to misrepresent the findings or you truly cannot understand the situation. If Cyprus had been a safe and stable environment in which the economy could have grown in an era when mass tourism was beginning then there would have been no slums and rural poverty. The economy would have grown equal to the other tourist traps. There would have been no need for a mass exodus of Cypriot people. Can you not see this. How the hell do you expect an economy to achieve its potential if for 14 years we had a president that gave us nothing but war and uncertainty. How many years after that did it take for the south to start finally making some money and how many years after that has it taken the north to come anywhere near to making a single buck. Forty five years of nothingness because of the antics of one man and the actions of many. You may find the result in your quest but you definitely cannot see the cause.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh now it was the antics of one man and the actions of the many. I wonder if you include Denktash, Kuchuk et al in that "one man" figure, and if you include any TCs at all in the actions of the many.

As for what cyprus was and why emigration started from 1930, may I remind you that Cyprus until 1960 was under British rule. Every sensible unemployed person would move to London that could offer him ten times more than the best job he could ever find in the UK satelite state of Cyprus.

I don't know what encouragement the British ever offered to enable us catch up on tourism, other than a few clubs they builted to play tennis. Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that only 10% of the locals (actually the very rich) had the money to even enrol at high school until 1960, so I am not sure what would you ever expect from a population that was practically illiterate? True the political situation did not help things after 1960, nevertheless Cyprus did much better than any of the ex British colonies.

I beleive you actually let both imaginary and true ghosts hunt your life.

NB. You should thank God Makarios was the President. Not because he was great, but who you think the GCs would elect president other than an Ex-Eoka REAL ACTION man? At least he was a priest and had to account to some God for his actions.

[zan]

Oh now it was the antics of one man and the actions of the many. I wonder if you include Denktash, Kuchuk et al in that "one man" figure, and if you include any TCs at all in the actions of the many.

As for what cyprus was and why emigration started from 1930, may I remind you that Cyprus until 1960 was under British rule. Every sensible unemployed person would move to London that could offer him ten times more than the best job he could ever find in the UK satelite state of Cyprus.

I don't know what encouragement the British ever offered to enable us catch up on tourism, other than a few clubs they builted to play tennis. Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that only 10% of the locals (actually the very rich) had the money to even enrol at high school until 1960, so I am not sure what would you ever expect from a population that was practically illiterate? True the political situation did not help things after 1960, nevertheless Cyprus did much better than any of the ex British colonies.

I beleive you actually let both imaginary and true ghosts hunt your life.

NB. You should thank God Makarios was the President. Not because he was great, but who you think the GCs would elect president other than an Ex-Eoka REAL ACTION man? At least he was a priest and had to account to some God for his actions.

My dad left the island with the price of the tickets and less than a weeks rent to pay my aunt who left long before. Not ideal conditions for emigrating to another country in which 7 of us lived in two rooms which was our bed, living and kitchen rooms. We barely survived on the money he earned and pretty soon my mother had to leave us and go to work as well. We survived, but the idea of leaving Cyprus in search of money is utter rubbish, as we would have had a better life in Cyprus with less money. We left because of war and uncertainty pure and simple.



As for the priest....may his god rest his soul and forgive his sins of which there were many.

[MR-from-NG]

We survived, but the idea of leaving Cyprus in search of money is utter rubbish, as we would have had a better life in Cyprus with less money. We left because of war and uncertainty pure and simple.

Same here.

[zan]

We survived, but the idea of leaving Cyprus in search of money is utter rubbish, as we would have had a better life in Cyprus with less money. We left because of war and uncertainty pure and simple.

Same here.

I think there are many more of us that have been ignored by Pyros statistics mrfromng.

[Pyrpolizer]

Sure zany. In fact 5 times more GCs