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[KELEBEK]

Hi I am new to this site. I found it interesting and as I am of Turkish-Cypriot origin, I feel partial to these kind of discussions.

As for the original question in this thread, why did Cyprus (Greek Cyprus) not veto?

Perhaps because foreign powers, other more powerful, richer and bigger EU states saw that Turkey a NATO member, 70 million people, a vital link to the Turkic World and to the Islamic World is far more important than non-aligned Greek Cyprus (640,000 people), a dusty little rock that caters for drunk English adolscents (who all flock to Ayia Napa) and Dirty money from ex-Serbian war lords. Do you think this is possible!

I think that its simply a case of, Cyprus is not as important as it thinks it is. Cypriots both Greek and Turkish speaking have a tendancy to think that the World begins and ends with the Cyprus dispute, and that Nicosia is the center of the universe, Wake up!

[Othellos]

Perhaps because foreign powers, other more powerful, richer and bigger EU states saw that Turkey a NATO member, 70 million people, a vital link to the Turkic World and to the Islamic World is far more important than non-aligned Greek Cyprus (640,000 people), a dusty little rock that caters for drunk English adolscents (who all flock to Ayia Napa) and Dirty money from ex-Serbian war lords. Do you think this is possible!

Absolutely! I will also add that all dusty, small and unimportant member countries should be kicked out of the EU yesterday. That will take care of member countries like Cyprus, Malta and Luxemburg (althouh the last one is not as dusty as the other 2, plus they are one of the 3 founders of the EU). Who should replace them in the EU? Turkey of course!

O.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Hi I am new to this site. I found it interesting and as I am of Turkish-Cypriot origin, I feel partial to these kind of discussions.

As for the original question in this thread, why did Cyprus (Greek Cyprus) not veto?

First of all KELEBEK, welcome to the forum! (and Happy New Year)

Cyprus did not veto because ... it chose not to. A Turkey that is on its way to the EU is a far more promising partner in negotiations (to solve the Cyprus Problem) than a Turkey that has been blocked from the EU. It's as simple as that.

[-mikkie2-]

Alexandre,

I agree with your conclusion. Succinct and to the point!

[Piratis]

Perhaps because foreign powers, other more powerful, richer and bigger EU states saw that Turkey a NATO member, 70 million people, a vital link to the Turkic World and to the Islamic World is far more important than non-aligned Greek Cyprus (640,000 people), a dusty little rock that caters for drunk English adolscents (who all flock to Ayia Napa) and Dirty money from ex-Serbian war lords. Do you think this is possible!

When did they choose Turkey over Cyprus? Maybe you forget that Turkey is trying to enter the EU for the last 40 years, while Cyprus is already an EU member. So it is obvious whom they choose, and we will later decide if we will accept Turkey or not.

[brother]

Piratis sometimes you are a complete nerd.

[Bananiot]

I think Kelebek made a point albeit rather callously. Turkey is more important to the the big guys than tiny Cyprus. The whole world does not centre around Cyprus and the sooner we get used to this simple truth the better for all of us. We need to forget centre stage and grow serious.

[insan]

Turkey is more important to the the big guys than tiny Cyprus. The whole world does not centre around Cyprus and the sooner we get used to this simple truth the better for all of us. We need to forget centre stage and grow serious.

Bananiot,

Since T-Pap has felt the cool breeeze of Christian Democrats of EU behind of him, he will go by the wind to where it leads. Christian Democrat coalition of EU expecting to come into power in early 2006; are deadly decisive to block Turkey's EU accession...

[Othellos]

I think Kelebek made a point albeit rather callously.

I think kelebek tried to kill two birds with one stone: make a point about how small (and thus how unimportant) Cyprus is and at the same time insult us. Whatever .....

Turkey is more important to the the big guys than tiny Cyprus.

Turkey is definitley a large market for the EU and from that point of view it can be more important than many if not most of the 25 EU members and not just Cypus. It seems however that this factor alone does not seem to be enough to secure membership for them. Obviously there must be something that Turkey is still missing when compared to other EU members including "dusty rocks" like Cypus. In any case, the most important thing that Cyprus can offer to Europe is a strategically located "outpost" in the Eastern Mediterranean and this at a low cost because of its size.

The whole world does not centre around Cyprus and the sooner we get used to this simple truth the better for all of us. We need to forget centre stage and grow serious.

I agree - we are definitely not the center of the Universe and the recent tragic events in SE Asia should remind us all of that.

O.

[Bananiot]

Of course, in our case everything centres around finding a solution to our problem. There is nothing wrong with this. We need a solution and a fresh start, 42 years of conflict and uncertainty is too long. The EU offers an important platform to this effect which we can utilise only if we are serious. We can have 24 partners in the EU only if we are serious. At the moment we are the black sheep in the Union and we already hear voices telling us that they it was a mistake to let us in with our problem unsolved.

We need to use our position constructively and in a way that reassures our stakeholders of our undiminishing will for a solution. I believe Papadopoulos is so much discretided in Europe that he cannot possibly win the trust of our partners. During the summit in late December, for example, Shirac resorted to insult when Papadopoulos boasted he had another 64 opportunities to veto Turkey. This is not the way a small nation behaves in the EU. This is the way to get alienated and of course bury your cause. Papadopoulos is doing Cyprus a lot of harm by making enemies everywhere. Even staunch supporters of our cause have now turned against us or at best they have been neutralised.

Big time politics do not suit a small country. We have tried this many times only to burn ourselves but we never seem to learn. There is nothing to suggest that this time around we will come to our senses. We are governed by people who cannot rise to the occasion.