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[miltiades]

Rude Gal. Told us :

"""but trying to present London Cypos as a unified bunch is pure BS to me. They are stuck in the 63-74 timewarp and have even fewer moderates here (when it comes to Cyprus issue) than Cyprus."""

Then you do not live in London my dear . You are a prejudiced individual who can not see further than your nose. I have DAILY contact wit T/Cs and have had DAILY interaction for years now. Have lived in the UL since 1961 ,have got not one but numerous T/Cs that I call mates , but then I'm a man and perhaps is much easier to make friends in business than a lady.
As for London being a cosmopolitan city , well those who perpetrated this nonsense on the British public are now withdrawing into their shells , what is cosmopolitan about spitting in the street , talking in bloody foreign languages , demanding that the nation accommodates their weird and outdated cultures , most foreigners now look as if they stepped out of medieval times. Cosmopolitan my foot.

[BOF]

So BOF how do you feel living in da Best City in da World - according to Rude Gal. Do you feel blessed? just a joke

Ha HA humanist da best city in da world? well ive been to quite a few and although i was born and grew up in London im sorry but that is no longer my view.

Rude Gal : I was not upset by your point of view,as it was merely that, the same as mine was. i just think that the subject is rather heated at the moment and as some people are going back as far as the ottoman empire to make their point i merely comment on what i see .
Darling i said i lived in London for 30 years, then i escaped to the country (thank god) but i still have to travel into london from time to time and still have relatives there so unless you can beat 60+ years i think i hold all the aces. I have lived and grown up with Hungarians fleeing their country in the 50s, the west indian influx of the 60s, the ugandan asians, the indian sub continent arrivals...and others. the point i was making is that Britain is one of the most accomodating countries in the world, and in the light of such an attitude it is easy for differing communities from the same country to get along in some sort of harmony....if that attitude could be expoted to Cyprus perhaps people would see that harmony is possible.

general comment:
The Biggest obstacle to a lasting peace and the one you all should fear the most is ...Your Politicians. These people (like all polititians) have schemed, distorted, clawed and probably lied their way to where they are now..the difference is that on both sides now they may have to share or lose part of their power and prestige in the name of lasting peace, and they are not going to like that! watch them very closely.....

[miltiades]

Bof , I remember London before all the "cosmopolitan " nonsense was thrown at us. The immigrants , mostly the Europeans who came here in the 50s and 60s , really made the effort to integrate , even the black people with all the negative aspects surrounding them made an effort. The Asians though have remained steadfastly "different " not interested in our cultures or our way of life .Brainwashed by their backward uneducated leadership , the actually firmly believe that they are superior to us !!! I stay in the UK because circumstances dictate that I do so , but I do not share the view held by some that multiculturalism has offered any benefits to London other dirty looking unshaven men spitting in the streets. Parts of London are now definitely third world.

[BOF]

Sadly Miltiades i have to agree with you.. i drove along the Edgware Road the other day to Marble arch and parts of it could have been transported from the Lebanon...Apart from the shiny capitalisation of the canary wharf area (east london docks trendy? who would have believed it?) a lot of London is looking tired, run down and seedy..
That is why next year i start my move to live in Cyprus...and be you T/C or G/C or whatever in the spirit of tolerance all will be welcomed.

[miltiades]

Bof , I'm a Cypriot , I'm also an Anglo Cypriot , the Cypriots call us Eglezo kipreous which stands for what I said Anglo Cypriot.
The fault lies squarely with the Politicians of all parties , Middle classes have got a lot to answer too as well as the BBC. Isn't strange that an Englishman flying the flag is considered a racist ??? Cant believe how naive the Brits have become.

[Rude Gal]

Militiades, I happy to meet you & take you on a tour of my bredren across all London and you will see what I mean. I am not proud of all their views - some make me downright sick - but I'm sorry to say the picture you paint for TCs is not representative of the majority. I am glad for you that you come across good TCs who (like everyone else on this planet) see you for who you are (a human being) not like/dislike you due to your ethnicity.

[Rude Gal]

Bof , I remember London before all the "cosmopolitan " nonsense was thrown at us. The immigrants , mostly the Europeans who came here in the 50s and 60s , really made the effort to integrate , even the black people with all the negative aspects surrounding them made an effort. The Asians though have remained steadfastly "different " not interested in our cultures or our way of life .Brainwashed by their backward uneducated leadership , the actually firmly believe that they are superior to us !!! I stay in the UK because circumstances dictate that I do so , but I do not share the view held by some that multiculturalism has offered any benefits to London other dirty looking unshaven men spitting in the streets. Parts of London are now definitely third world.

You say some hilarious things here, e.g.

these immigrants

- what are you if not an immigrant? Why differentiate? Perhaps a little clearer below:

The Asians though have remained steadfastly "different " not interested in our cultures or our way of life .Brainwashed by their backward uneducated leadership , the actually firmly believe that they are superior to us !!!

You are entitled to you opinion but to tarnish millions of British Asians in this way is at best inaccurate and at worst downright rude. Their cultural ways are different & their lifestyle choices make them stand out. But does it make it wrong? Also, you may not know this, but they account for 5% of British population but provide 10% of country's wealth. Some British Asians have integrated better than others, but it is true experience for ALL immigrants (I've studied this subject) it often takes several generations to fully integrate and - given some significant cultural differences & current political climate - it may take some British Asians far longer to do so.

Yes a few will never want to integrate & try to impose their own narrow values on others, but this is true of non-Asians too.

As for third world London, it is not just down to immigration but I feel also to capitalist practices - we need whole new thread just for that. but hey, this is the Cyprus Forum so I'll stick to subject at hand!

Importance of UK - & especially London - is our tolerance and our openess to new ideas. How else could the curry become the nation's no.1 dish?

I hope the above comments are taken in the positive, constructive spirit they are intended, and not as a dig (which they are not). It is just a subject close to my heart and I am very proud of London's cosmopolitan roots. As BOF says, it is something we Londoners should export to help others find harmony within the way the co-exist. All different, all equal!

[Rude Gal]

BOF, I dig your approach - it's real. Your end comments are true:

The Biggest obstacle to a lasting peace and the one you all should fear the most is ...Your Politicians. These people (like all polititians) have schemed, distorted, clawed and probably lied their way to where they are now..the difference is that on both sides now they may have to share or lose part of their power and prestige in the name of lasting peace, and they are not going to like that! watch them very closely.....

But why stop there? Politicians are only where they are because the general public put them there and we all have the means to bring about change. So we must all take responsibility for who is in power and if we care - & this Forum shows just how passionate we all are about our actual/ethnic homeland - then we should also seek constructive ways to bring about positive change. Writing on Forums is a good start (we are all learning), getting politically active is even better!