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[G.Man]

Piratis that is where you are dreadfully wrong. The Americans value life ! Sanctity of life is enshrined in the greatest ever constitution .The lives not only of humans but of animals . Do not allow yourself , because of the situation in Cyprus , to become embittered about America the greatest nation ever , without which the world today would have been under the descendants of the Nazis.

Piratis is absolutely right, and you militades are an idiotic idealist. The bush administration cares about human life? Since when? They did not have any scruples invading a sovereign country that lead to the death of around 600,000 people.

Oh, but the great American constitution. The American constitution, dear millitades, has been reduced to a worthless piece of paper by Patriot Acts I and II. Bush can today declare any citizen a traitor, an enemy combatant or a terrorist and keep him in Guantanamo bay indefinitely. The once great American nation has now become a bunch of easily manipulated nationalist mob that is willingly giving up its civic liberties and believes anything that the corporate media feeds it.

The Bush administration, just like any other government, follows its own interests and their doctrine today is that of the New American century - that of total domination over the rest of the world. It is ridiculous to kiss Bush's ass in the hope that he will somehow help you unify Cyprus. Bush does not care about you, he does not care about me, he does not care about ordinary Americans. He cares about his power, and the interests of his oil companies. It is as simple as that. And for him the lives of 3,000 Americans are wothless in comparison to the vast oil reserves in the Middle East. He wants to control them, and that is why he occupies Iraq and Afghanistan.

the great american constitution changed as a result of 9-11, and it is to keep us safe. THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY, and you are just jealous you do not live in a country as big and strong and generous and free as mine. which is why it is made up of so many foreigners. they all came here for a better life. and this country gives them a better life. Goddess bless the USA.

That amazes me, every expert I have seen comment on the patriot acts say it has massively infringed on civil liberties, and 9/11 has pretty much green lighted bush to attack afghanistan, iraq, and pretty much any middle east country he so desires...

Never mind the thousands upon thousands that will die in the name of protecting american oil dollars so they can keep driving their 6mpg SUV's with cheap gas and pumping out more CO2 per capita and per country than any other on the planet...

Yeah, the US is great... they are no longer the worlds police, they are the worlds dictators... do as we say or we will impose sanctions on you, and if you still dont comply, then we will attack your country...

Thankfully, they will soon be owned by china, at least financially..

LMAO



Quick question for you tho, any idea why Osama Bin Ladens family and relatives were rounded up by the CIA and deported a week before the 9/11 attacks, bearing in mind they were all US passport holders?

[bg_turk]

OK, I give in. What I say does not make any sense at all, so tell us why was it necesary to blow up the buildings with pre-positioned explosives, that were so carefully placed as not to go off while the buildings were in flames for over an hour. Why after North and South Towers were hit by the planes, which caused a great deal of damage, was it necesary to blow up the buildings. Those building could never have been able to be used again, even if they did not collapsed. They would have been demolished anyways, few weeks later, so what was the hurry.??

On July 28 1945 a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State building and exploded inside it. The building did not collapse, did not have to be demolished, and still stands today.

No, it is not because CIA had placed explosives, but rather the top part of the chimney is travelling faster than the base section, as it is falling to one side. The tops of the Twin Towers were almost 1/4 mile in the air, and now they were in a free fall with the rest of the building. What did you expect for the building to happen, make a "soft" landing intact or what.

Intuitively, I would have expected the upper floors to topple over. The bearing capacity of the lower floors was never compromised, and they were subjected to the same constant stress at all times, I do not understand why they would give in so easily.

[humanist]

I know mickey mouse did!

[Eliko]

I would ask all you members who have contributed to this topic whether or not you have viewed the following:-
"In Plane Site" 911 Director's Cut by David VonKleist.
911-Loose Change, 2nd Edition by Dylan Avery.
These are two of several D.V.D. presentations available, they deal with every aspect of the events you are all now discussing, if you have not seen them, may I suggest you make an effort to do so?, if you have seen them, you will no doubt have serious questions to ask regarding just what is happening in our world today.
To those of you that have not, www.911inplanesite.com will supply you with an extraordinary amount of technical
information supporting several contentious issues, please take the time to consider the contents.
Happy New Year to one and all of you.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,
do the calculation and you will see what you say does not make sense. Each floor has its own inertia, and according to the pancake theory the collapsing top floors need to accelerate the bottom floors.According to calculations for this to happen it would require at least 40s. Collapse at the free rate of gravity does not make sense unless all steal beams are cut all at once.

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Could you please tell me, what calculation you're talking about.??

What's the 40s for ( 40 seconds I presume).??

[miltiades]

The same people who believe in Elvis Presley being alive beleive in these nonsense too.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I find it extremely difficult to comprehend just what your opinions are on several issues, you are prone to wander off in nebulous directions from time to time when answering the contributions of other members. The art of discussion is dependant upon ones readiness to accept the views of the other, having considered them and analysed the content, one should then counter with an intelligent response, the end product is beneficial to both parties since both will learn something. Rapid dismissals are NOT the basis for a discussion, they are the obvious route to a non-productive argument which creates festering hatreds among otherwise intelligent people. Please try to give a little credit to others, before you react, that way you may find yourself in a position where you are able to engage in a conversation rather than a dispute......... Best Wishes..........no offence...../

[Kikapu]

[On July 28 1945 a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State building and exploded inside it. The building did not collapse, did not have to be demolished, and still stands today. .

Yes, a B-25 did crash into the Empire State Building and caused very little damage. The building was also the first "skyscraper" and was built like a fortress and the B-25 was a much smaller and slower plane, than the B-767. As a result of that crash, when the Twin Towers were built, they took into their calculations to withstand a Jetliner crashing into them. Boeing 707 was the largest jet at the time, so they used that. However, it was only calculated as an "accidental crash" as suppose to "deliberate crash".

"Accidental crash" was to accure during landing or take off, with speeds around 200 MPH and not at 500 MPH by the Boeing 767, which also were heavier than the B-707. Speed and Mass can do a lot of damage, if used properly.

[miltiades]

I respect peoples rights to express their views regardless of how unintelligent , biased , racist , unholy , incomprehensible , far fetched absolute rubbish but I do not have to respect such views. My level of tolerance when it comes to damn stupid comments is extremely low. When debating with incessant Anti American views I express my utter disdain at such expressions. There people on this forum dedicated to continually criticize harshly the USA. NO SINGLE INDIVIDUAL has expressed any comments on the 70 people that were murdered yesterday by the savages of Iraq , neither you nor any one else has expressed their disgust at such barbaric acts.

As far as your comments on my wondering around off in nebulous directions let me correct you here. My views have been consistently posted on this forum. In short I'm pro West , I detest religion , I love Cyprus and it's people , I detest the savages that blow them selves up killing innocents regardless of their cause or reason for committing such atrocities , I believe in the sanctity of life and believe in the concept of family life being the foundation of civilization.
I reiterate: I respect every ones right to express their opinions. I do not have to respect such opinions.
Hope you have a clearer insight to exactly what I stand For.
Happy new year and my best wishes .

[bg_turk]

I respect peoples rights to express their views regardless of how unintelligent , biased , racist , unholy , incomprehensible , far fetched absolute rubbish but I do not have to respect such views. My level of tolerance when it comes to damn stupid comments is extremely low. When debating with incessant Anti American views I express my utter disdain at such expressions.

Incessant anti-American views? What are you talking about? This is not about being anti-American, this is about demanding to know the truth of what happened on that unfortunate day.

I stand with this woman, who lost a daughter on 9/11, in asking for the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymYwYc43iE

I stand with the families of 9/11 victims, the true patriots. Who do you stand with? You stand with the tyrant in the White House. How dare you even accuse others of "incessant" anti-Americansim? This president is against anything America has ever stood for, stop licking his ass.