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[Piratis]

In 1960, Makarios was forced to sign the 1960 agreements since the only "alternatives" were continuation of colonial rule or a partition imposed by the British.

(for details see this movie: http://media3.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=1624 )

Of course we didn't like those agreements, and Makarios had asked for amendments before he signed them, but they were all refused to him.

In 1963 Makarios made proposals for the modifications of those agreements, and the Turks tell us that if we didn't like the agreements we shouldn't have sign them and that we had "hidden agendas" etc.

Fast forward to 2004, and the AngoAmericans are again trying to force on us their plan.

So I am asking you: When we clearly say that this plan is unfair and we don't want it why do some insist on trying to blackmail us and force it on us?

So when we will later (naturally) ask for modifications to try and bring that thing in accordance to the EU acquis and to remove its racist and separatist provisions to tell us that if we didn't like it we shouldn't have signed it, and start killing us and ethnically cleansing us will then again be justified because we dared to demand what every other EU citizens has and what it exists in every other country?

What we want is a democratic Cyprus without borders and racist discriminations and not the Annan partition plan. Therefore we will follow your advice and not sign what we do not accept.

So why some insist on trying to force Annan plan on us? Shouldn't they just say "if you don't like it, don't sing it"? Or this can only be said after they manage to force us to accept what they demand?

[Viewpoint]

So? you ruined the 1960s agreements because you didn't want them, having no intention of making them work, yet ironically you dearly cling onto them today and suggest we return to them so you may again bring about Akritas 2 and you also rejected the Annan plan for an alternative solution we are yet to see. Where is it?

[observer]

Piratis wrote:

So why some insist on trying to force Annan plan on us? Shouldn't they just say "if you don't like it, don't sing it"?

..... I didn't know the AP had a musical version.

[miltiades]

VP on Piratis this time :
"""and suggest we return to them so you may again bring about Akritas 2 and you also rejected the Annan plan for an alternative solution """
And VP on VP !!

""as you only serve to push the wedge of division deeper between our communities, which I personally believe is your main goal. """

You of all people VP talk about reconciling our people , you are by far the most non conciliatory person on this forum .You know one tune and you keep playing it. You who denies the existence of Cypriots talk about "reconciling our people " You have poured scorn on my self every time I post the word Cypriot or my T/C brothers and sisters. Are you perhaps awaking up and realising that we owe it to future generations to reconcile our differences , respect each other and call each other our compatriots , or even accepting that there is such an entity as a CYPRIOT.

Can I also say what nonsense you post on Akritas2 plan , the world has changed it is time you move on and march as Cypriot demanding 100 % ownership of Cyprus just as I and thousands of other Cypriots are demanding.

[Viewpoint]

I have never been against reconciliation, the tune i play is one of reality of living on this island and facing reality that's why its consistent. Yours is one of utopia where we are all equal Cypriots, what you don't realize or blindly avoid is that this culture has not developed on either side of the divide on mass and will never develop unless we reunite. People like you although well meaning and sincere are a drop in the ocean to the Kifeas and Piratis of the south, they are the ones who will put TCs at risk and you are no match to their mentality of vengeance and dominance of the TC community. You know there are sharks in the sea yet you wish to throw who you claim is you best friend into that same sea, aren't you being rather naive when you feel your friend will survive?

[BirKibrisli]

The problem with refusing the Annan Plan is that we are stuck with the status quo,which is probably the worse type of partition you can have.
It is certianly very bad for the TCs,as it forces them to live in an open prison,under military rule,and slowly become Turkified by osmosis.

If this is the grand plan of Papadopoulos,to make sure the TCs become extinct,then it is working. But this does not mean that Turkey will turn around in 25 years and say "sorry folks,there are no more TCs left in Cyprus" so here is all your land back,we are going home!". If this is also part of the grand plan it will be a total failure. In 25 years there will be 500,000 "New Turkish Cypriots" who will want nothing to do with the GCs in the south.

We need to find a compromise,and find it soon,or else Partition at the worse terms for all Cypriots will be a reality.But as Viwpoint keeps harping on,I don't see any efforts on either side to even signal a willingness to begin looking for ways of compromising.So how are we ever going to unify our homeland? Do people really believe that the "balance of power" will change significantly in Cyprus's favour to force Turkey to retreat militarily? What if the balance of power move even further towards Turkey? Will that justify another "military intervention" to bring an end to the Cyprus conflict for good???

[Sotos]

For TCs Annan plan was better than status quo. But we are the people who suffer from the Turkish invasion and occupation. Shouldn't the solution be better for us also? How can a solution be something that is worst than the problem? I don't think it can be called solution!

[BirKibrisli]

For TCs Annan plan was better than status quo. But we are the people who suffer from the Turkish invasion and occupation. Shouldn't the solution be better for us also? How can a solution be something that is worst than the problem? I don't think it can be called solution!

Do you think the status quo is better for GCs than the Annan Plan solution,Sotos? And do you think by hanging on for the ideal solution the GCs will get a better deal from Turkey in the end? What if that logic is wrong? What if global capital one day decides that it is in their best interest to back Turkey all the way?Who is going to protect Cypriot interests then???

[Sotos]

Do you think the status quo is better for GCs than the Annan Plan solution,Sotos?

Yes.

And do you think by hanging on for the ideal solution the GCs will get a better deal from Turkey in the end?

Not ideal but fair.

What if that logic is wrong? What if global capital one day decides that it is in their best interest to back Turkey all the way?Who is going to protect Cypriot interests then?

If they make it any worst for us then we will star blowing up their bases and listening stations. If they go all the way we will go all the way too. And don't think we will be alone. Everybody hates those fuckers.

[Viewpoint]

What if that logic is wrong? What if global capital one day decides that it is in their best interest to back Turkey all the way?Who is going to protect Cypriot interests then?

If they make it any worst for us then we will star blowing up their bases and listening stations. If they go all the way we will go all the way too. And don't think we will be alone. Everybody hates those fuckers.

You over estimate your own strength, and any action of violence will leave you alone however much you feel other countries will join you against a common enemy, blowing up bases and using terrorism to get what you want will not pay dividends in the long run it will beget more violence which you may have to pay even a bigger price than you did in 1974. You seem to never learn.