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[joe]

http://www.financialmirror.com/more_new ... t=Politics

Illegal airport contributes to division of Cyprus


26/12/2006

Cypriot Foreign Minister George Lillikas said that whoever “intents to promote the function of the illegal airport at the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus, contributes in a practical manner to the division of Cyprus”.
Lillikas noted that “whoever has such intentions, should make serious thoughts regarding the consequences of such an action, not only for Cyprus, but also for their bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus”.
Lillikas was commenting on information that members of the British Civil Aviation are making efforts to open the illegal airport at the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus for international flights.
“There have been some movements on the part of the British authorities, towards European institutions and international organizations for the collection of information regarding the matter”, he said.
After noting that the international community is well aware of the fact that the airport in the occupied areas is illegal, since it violates the international law, and the rules of international organizations and Eurocontrol, he said that he hoped that there would be ''no official governmental effort on the part of Great Britain, or any other country to legalize the illegal airport”.
Cyprus, an EU member state, is divided since 1974, when Turkish troops invaded and occupied one third of its territory.
In 1983 the Turkish occupied part proclaimed the establishment of an illegal state.
UN Security Council resolutions 541 and 550 called all states not to recognise the self-styled regime and not to facilitate it in any way.

[THE HIGHLANDER]

Everyday since ive joined the forum,ive seen this type of posting snowball out of control with arguments from both sides,Turkey invades Cyprus,if it were my home country i'd be really pissed off and angry for revenge,unless that is,i already knew it was going to happen because they couldnt control the festering problem of discrimination and racial tensions,the Cypriot government had nearly 14 years to build an army equiped to deffend itself and by air and sea,so why was it so easy for Turkey to invade and now in soon to be 2007 why are they still occupying the north ?i,ve heard TC telling of GC killing and driving them up to the north,and GC telling how they were being killed also and fleeing from the north to the south after Turkey invaded,TC say they were beat on and killed discrimately by the GC and were forced north before Turkey invaded and Turkey only invaded to give these people protection and some where to live in piece.One other point is in 1960's when Cyprus became an indipendant country why was it so dependent on Greece and support the Greek national football team etc when they have their own up and comming national team,if you are born of greek parentage in cyprus you are a born and bread Cypriot and if you born of Turkish parentage in Cyprus you are also a born and bread Cypriot so in actual fact by labeling people by GC and TC it is sounding like Northern Ireland like the protestants and the catholics and the problem will never go away, I'm a true Scotsman born and bread in Scotland but my ancestors hundreds of years ago were english but i dont call myself an ES (english/scottish) and support englands national football team or english football league teams, I support my born countrys team Scotland and The Great Glasgow Rangers.
I hope you can understand what i'm trying to say in the above posting as i dont want to offend anybody as i was not there at the time and only ever hear arguments from both sides blamming each other,which is not the answer,these issues have to be sorted demacraticly for the good of the people and young children who want to live in peace and have a country they can be proud of.

[humanist]

Highlander there is a large portion of members of this forum that share your views. If you have been born in Cyprus of either Greek or Turkish Speaking parentage you are Cypriot. However a very large portion of persons do not agree with this view and wish to separate each other and thus the socio- political and to to mention religious domians of Cypriot life. Hence the "shit" we are all trying to swim out of.

Amen I say to a United Cyprus Peopels Republic.... and a huge ex-buffer zone PEACE Park.

[Viewpoint]

Highlander there is a large portion of members of this forum that share your views. If you have been born in Cyprus of either Greek or Turkish Speaking parentage you are Cypriot. However a very large portion of persons do not agree with this view and wish to separate each other and thus the socio- political and to to mention religious domians of Cypriot life. Hence the "shit" we are all trying to swim out of.

Amen I say to a United Cyprus Peopels Republic.... and a huge ex-buffer zone PEACE Park.

We had the opportunity in 1960 to build a Cypriot people, that chance was squandered on hidden agendas and that's why we find ourselves in the position we are in today, divided. Under such division you cannot expect people on both sides to feel they are just Cypriots because you verbally express this wish. People on this island will only become "Cypriots" if we should unite which at today's juncture will not be in our lifetime or even in our children's. That's the stark reality everyone has to face, accept and move on to live a life as best they can, which is what TCs are doing.

[BirKibrisli]

I have the feeling sometimes that I am in a surreal world.A bit like in that film "Groundhog Day" (if i remember corectly) where the lead guy wakes up and goes through the same day,day after day.Here we have two communities who are absolutely convinced they have been hardly done by.If you listen only to one side you will be convinced they were right.Listen to the other and you will be similarly convinced. We seem to live in two parallel worlds where both communities are absolutely right in their own reality.And both are determined not to compromise one inch from their positions. I am slowly getting used to the idea that I will die in exile here in the arse end of the world,before my fellow Cypriots decide to meet in the same world and try to solve their problem.And Cyprus will one day belong to Greater Greece or Greater Turkey,and there will be no Cypriots left to morn the extermination of a whole nation of Cypriots.

[Rude Gal]

Bir, the Groundhod Day analogy for Cyprus is brilliant and sadly, so very true. I put my faith in Karma & good NRG triumphing over bad. It may take many more years, but it will come.

As for direct flights to Ercan meaning the prolongation of division, this is more GC propaganda to keep North isolated. Every effort to ease embargoes on North/TCs is met with same excuse.

It is getting tiring for TCs and for rest of world. Sooner or later everyone's patience will snap and bingo, TCs will be brought in out of the cold.

Surely in long term this is best way for solution? After all, GCs do not want to be in position of West Germany, lumbered with bill of unification and bringing East Germany (North Cyprus) up to scratch? And given TCs will have political equality and responsibility for running northern third of island in united Cyprus, what's all the fuss if GCs are genuine about power sharing?

[Kifeas]

Bir, the Groundhod Day analogy for Cyprus is brilliant and sadly, so very true. I put my faith in Karma & good NRG triumphing over bad. It may take many more years, but it will come.

As for direct flights to Ercan meaning the prolongation of division, this is more GC propaganda to keep North isolated. Every effort to ease embargoes on North/TCs is met with same excuse.

It is getting tiring for TCs and for rest of world. Sooner or later everyone's patience will snap and bingo, TCs will be brought in out of the cold.

Surely in long term this is best way for solution? After all, GCs do not want to be in position of West Germany, lumbered with bill of unification and bringing East Germany (North Cyprus) up to scratch? And given TCs will have political equality and responsibility for running northern third of island in united Cyprus, what's all the fuss if GCs are genuine about power sharing?

Rude Gal! When you the less than 18% of Cypriots (Turkish Cypriots,) return to the 30% of Cypriot people (the 250.000 of north Cyprus Greek Cypriot refugees) their stolen by you properties back, and return also their stolen ancient Christian churches and all the other monuments of their cultural heritage that are situated in the occupied north of Cyprus, and also allow them to return back to their stolen homeland and put an end to their ethnic cleansing that you have imposed on them, and end up in this way their economic isolation and put an end to the yearly huge loss of revenues that they sustain for not having access and exploit their stolen properties, as a result of the embargo you have imposed on them for the last 32 years; then you will also see an end to your isolation and perhaps Turkey will also become a member of the EU one day.

Until then, it is better if you talk instead of farting! Because all you do so far with this embargo rhetoric of yours amounts only to a continued farting!

[humanist]

Bir, I share your passion and views on a united Cyprus however I don't think its going to happen in my life time and I only 38 years of age.

Coments like Rude Gal do not appear to be helpful to a United Cyprus though ...... the sooner people stop blaming each other and and as you said they are both right or at least they appear to be nothing will change. I am believeing more and more thought that the 1960's constitution was probably the best of sharing of power .... but I was not even born then ... so all the information that I have on that issue is from literature and even that is skewed pending where it comes from.

There is no doubt that separation and fear creates anger mistrust and division and that is certainly not good for the Cypriot people.

[Rude Gal]

Coments like Rude Gal do not appear to be helpful to a United Cyprus though ...... the sooner people stop blaming each other and and as you said they are both right or at least they appear to be nothing will change. I am believeing more and more thought that the 1960's constitution was probably the best of sharing of power .... but I was not even born then ... so all the information that I have on that issue is from literature and even that is skewed pending where it comes from.

There is no doubt that separation and fear creates anger mistrust and division and that is certainly not good for the Cypriot people.

Humanist, we all got to take responsibility for our actions and sadly, humankind often needs a prod (some need a kick up the ass) to put their messes right. This is true in most aspects of our lives, from the way we treat the environment, to poor driving, to corporate responsibility, to Cyprus...How can highlighting an area I feel GCs need a prod to improve be wrong, e.g. GC obstructive actions re: TC international isolation? It is my opinion - all are free to disagree. But surely it is better to discuss the validity of this claim and if it is valid, then for GCs to put their house in order. And if not for you to provide reasons why not. Everyone, TC, GC, other, also free to highlight wrongs in North. Kifeas already has! Then TCs need to sort their end out or explain why not.

If we cannot even have open dialogue for fear of offending the other, how will we understand one another or start to see and deal with our own biases & prejudices?

As you say, separation and fear creates anger mistrust and division. You have to win my trust, respect and confidence as much as I have to win yours. If we are all open and reasonable, there is a way forward. If not, the status quo continues...

[Rude Gal]

Rude Gal! When you the less than 18% of Cypriots (Turkish Cypriots,) return to the 30% of Cypriot people (the 250.000 of north Cyprus Greek Cypriot refugees) their stolen by you properties back, and return also their stolen ancient Christian churches and all the other monuments of their cultural heritage that are situated in the occupied north of Cyprus, and also allow them to return back to their stolen homeland and put an end to their ethnic cleansing that you have imposed on them, and end up in this way their economic isolation and put an end to the yearly huge loss of revenues that they sustain for not having access and exploit their stolen properties, as a result of the embargo you have imposed on them for the last 32 years; then you will also see an end to your isolation and perhaps Turkey will also become a member of the EU one day.

Until then, it is better if you talk instead of farting! Because all you do so far with this embargo rhetoric of yours amounts only to a continued farting!

Charming! You have lost none of your villager style Kifeas and no Xmas cheer

We all have suffered and many still suffering on both sides today, so for me all square on the pain front. So what we gonna do about it Kifeas? TCs have and continue to try for a solution that reflects the balance struck in 1960, based on today's realities. It seems to be you merely want a return to pre 1974, but therein lies the problem cos no TC will accept that state of affairs.

In meantime, all continue to suffer.

I say where we can make a material difference to some people in some way, let's go! Direct flights to Ercan, Maras/Varosha returned to its rightful owners, remove flag off mountain, open new gate at Lokmaci, etc...These important steps will make a positive difference to many (ut not all) and at same time fuel the necessary trust and respect of the Other side to bring about a fair political settlement. If you call that Hot Air, I'm We certainly not going anywhere with your worldview!