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[humanist]

Rude Gal, I feel I need to resond and say that you are right about part of your post we all need to take responsibility for our actions in every aspect of our lives. The second part is just blame blame blame ....... something that happens on this forum often enough by nearly most of us. It changes nothing and has changed nothing in the last 32 years. You will soon get a reply to your post by many who would say that having Turkey invade their country and take a third of it is also illegal and unjust so whilst Turkish Speaking Cypriots are crying out isolation 200,000 Greek Speaking Cypriots remain refugees in their own country. Have you heard this dialogue before???? Probably yes. So instead of concentrating on who is suffering what .... lets all get out of the victimhood we have so well become acustomed too and start thinking of how we are all gonna get out of this shit.

I totally agree with your proposal and whilst we are at it, lets withdraw Turkey's military presence, allow refugees to return to their properties, encourage all schools to teach both the Greek and Turkish language, create a space for all Cypriots to get together and learn from each other, create a bicommunal / bizonal United Cyprus, Varosha comes under the management of the Northern State of the United Cyprus, demilitarise the Island and grant Turkey EU membership.

[Viewpoint]

Humanist how do you propose to get rid of the Turkish army without addressing the political balance and GC army? If TCs cannot see what role they will play in a new structure and how their interest will be protected they will never wave the Turkish army good bye.

[humanist]

Viewpoint like I said demilitarise the Island. No army of any kind. We can call NATO and UN protection from outside invaders. After all if we're gonna be one united peoples and Turkey becomes an EU member essentially we're all one and would not want to invade our own people. It works in Switzerland.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint like I said demilitarise the Island. No army of any kind. We can call NATO and UN protection from outside invaders. After all if we're gonna be one united peoples and Turkey becomes an EU member essentially we're all one and would not want to invade our own people. It works in Switzerland.

I'm all for demilitarization but other issues run concurrent with them leaving the island and that is how the political balance will be achieved where one community cannot dominate the other or take decisions on their behalf.

[Rude Gal]

Viewpoint like I said demilitarise the Island. No army of any kind. We can call NATO and UN protection from outside invaders. After all if we're gonna be one united peoples and Turkey becomes an EU member essentially we're all one and would not want to invade our own people. It works in Switzerland.

UN did jack to protect TCs between 1964-74 and jack to prevent similar atttrocities to Muslims in Bosnia (have you seen the film No Man's Land? It is very clear how useless the UN are).

My view is no army is best but - and it is a BIG BUT - TCs would need to feel their is no threat from their GC neighbours. And right now, that is far from the case. Even the most ardent united Cyprus supporters are currently wary of crossing over into the South, let alone demililarise the island.

HUmanist, not sure where you live and how much real interaction you have with TCs, but would I be fair to say not too much? You don't seem to account for these in some of your good suggestions (if we lived in ideal world, would be fab, but Cyprus is far from ideal so we must deal with current realities). I'm not saying all TC fears valid (alot is pyschological) but when you make recommendations they need to be as attractive to TCs as GCs or they will not work.

[humanist]

Viewpoint I feel we are different points of our understanding I see one united people in Cyprus one community. I live in Australia and what I am learning from day to day is that division creates many issues. I believe that when people are one there is no one community will dominate over another. Perhaps this is too idealistic and spiritualist point of view but that is where I am coming from. The more we create them and us ideology the more issues we will have and the Cyprus issue will not only haunt us but generations to come. Yes Turkish speaking Cypriots have been wroged in the past lets acknowledge that, lets make a change now, i believein Cyprus 2007 whilst there are some twits that grafititi walls in their racist ways of expressing themselves the majrity of people do not support them and they will not discriminate against any minority group infact racists around the world are in minority themselves. Infact I truly believ that most Greek Cypriots just want to see an end to the separation and return to their homes, or at leats know they can retuen to their homes as I said very few will. Especially the ones who immigrated overseas, ther majority will stay in their new homes in the south and perhaps sell their properties in the north.

Rude you are right i do not have day to day interactions with Turkish Speaking Cypriots, however the ones I have met have been beautiful people and over the years I have met many. Our desire is to see a united Cyprus. My fear is that unless people return to their properties we will create another Israeli/ Palestine issue where there is unecessary death and destruction. This is a pitty. I truly believe that the 1960's constitution of 18% of parliamentarians were of Turksih Speaking Background was probably the best solution to sharing power. It would have probably worked had it not been for the Greek inspired coup. Nowadays I think Greek Speakin Cypriots have learnt better and there is no way that enosis with Greece would ever be an issue.

I agree with you on the issue of psychoogical fear and it is valid let us not underestimate that..... that is why I am saying let us all work together to put strategies in place to bring people together, break down bariers, educate the young on the positives of living in a multicultural society, which Cyprus is fast becoming one. There's probably more Brits in Cypus today than Turkish Speaking Cypriots, if stattistics are correct and most TSC's have immigrated then it is highly probable.

[tony harte]

This is a heart wrenching situation for both sides
so many wrongs, so few rights

as a neutral i just hope both sides can find their way home

i believe both sides are decent folk at heart
and this shit has got way out of hand

As an Irish national i can see both sides
and what is worse is i can see how large the divide is

I think in truth we all hope for that magic solution

[miltiades]

Rude Gal informs us of the following:
""Even the most ardent united Cyprus supporters are currently wary of crossing over into the South, let alone demililarise the island. ""

And how many from those that crossed over have been killed , injured , spat up on or arrested ?
You must know something that we do not know , and you are based in "the best city of the world " !!!
Perhaps someone , somewhere can enlighten the rest of us ignoramus as to precisely how many T/Cs were killed by the G/Cs 12 months before the invasion of July 1974 .Such figures would be very welcome more so by those non- Cypriots who have read so much about the !T/C massacres by the G/Cs.
We await the figures please.

[humanist]

Miltiadis when you get those figures could you pls ensure that my true blue ausie friend keravon gets them also. the poor thing will give himself a heart attack via his anger...... the man needs to get a punching bag.......

[G.Man]

Rude Gal informs us of the following:
""Even the most ardent united Cyprus supporters are currently wary of crossing over into the South, let alone demililarise the island. ""

And how many from those that crossed over have been killed , injured , spat up on or arrested ?
You must know something that we do not know , and you are based in "the best city of the world " !!!
Perhaps someone , somewhere can enlighten the rest of us ignoramus as to precisely how many T/Cs were killed by the G/Cs 12 months before the invasion of July 1974 .Such figures would be very welcome more so by those non- Cypriots who have read so much about the !T/C massacres by the G/Cs.
We await the figures please.

Really Rude Gal? That amazes me, as 100's of TC's cross the border into the south every day to work for GC's in the south...

As for Orphanides Strovolos carpark at the weekend, well its full of TC plated cars...