Cyprus-Forum.com

[miltiades]

Here is a text dealing with some of the roads in a "UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC "" !!!!!

Article 2 Access and connecting roads

[indicative text to be modified in accordance with agreed map]

Applying to both suggested maps:

1. Civilian traffic on direct connecting roads between the main part of a {component state} and a non-contiguous part, as well as on direct connecting roads through a non-contiguous part of a {component state}, may only be restricted pursuant to an injunction of the Supreme Court.

2. The road connecting Pyrogi and Athienou is under the territorial administration of the Greek Cypriot {component state} for its entire length. The Turkish Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct an underpass or overpass for access to Louroujina/Akincilar.

3. The Greek Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct a road under its territorial administration between Kontea and Kalopsida, across the territory administered by the Turkish Cypriot {component state} south of Köüklia and to expropriate the necessary land in exchange for full and effective compensation, in cooperation with the Turkish Cypriot {component state}. The {component states} shall agree on the location of any necessary underpasses or overpasses to be built at the expense of the Greek Cypriot {component state}.

Applying to map A only:

4. The road connecting north Nicosia and Famagusta is under the territorial administration of the Turkish Cypriot {component state} for its entire length. The Greek Cypriot {component state} shall be entitled to construct three underpasses or overpasses for access to Pyrga, Stylloi and Egkomi. ""

The areas for likely conflict are so many and in every administrative sphere that in a short period of time this plan would have collapsed with catastrophic consequences.

[reportfromcyprus]

report fromcyprus perhaps you may like to study the following :

Reasons for the approval of the Annan Plan Turkish Cypriot view
Reunification was desired for economic reasons.
Many Turkish Cypriots no longer perceived the Greek Cypriots as a threat, especially in the light of the strictly bi-zonal proposition of the Annan plan.
Turkish Cypriots would receive considerable constitutional power in the United Cyprus Republic that the Annan plan proposed, over-proportional to their percentage of the population.
The Turkish Cypriot component state would still, even after territorial cessation of some areas to the Greek Cypriot component state, make up 28.5 percent of the total area of Cyprus, including large economically important areas that where inhabitated exclusively by Greek Cypriots prior to the division of Cyprus in 1975.
The right of return of Greek Cypriots to their homes in the areas coming under the control of the Turkish Cypriot component state would be strictly limited if not, insome cases, forbidden, thus the possibility of Turkish Cypriots becoming a minority in their respective component state would not exist.
The guarantor powers to the constitution of Cyprus would retain their powers as such, thus Turkey would still have the arguable right to intervene in Cypriot affairs, most definitely on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots.

[edit] Reasons for the rejection of the Annan Plan Greek Cypriot Point of view

The Ethnic groups in Cyprus are Greek 77%, Turkish 18%, other 5% of the population. (2001) The Annan plan equates the representation of the two major ethnic groups in the to be Senate and in the Supreme Court giving 50-50 representation to the two communities. The majority becomes minority in important decision centers.
The plan created a confederation even though it utilized the term "federation" because there was no hierarchy of laws, while central authority emanated from the so-called component states. Note that the United States abandoned its original confederal structure because it was unworkable. In 1789, a federal constitution was established containing a clear federal supremacy clause. The Supreme Court composed of equal numbers of Greek Cypriot (77% of population) and Turkish Cypriot (18% of population) judges, plus three foreign judges; thus foreign actors would cast deciding votes.
The Plan did not include a settlement regarding the repatriation of Turkish settlers living on Greek Cypriot owned land in the 'Northern Cyprus', while after 19 years, the possibility of abolishing the derogation of 5% of Greeks and Turkish citizens who could settle in Cyprus, is obvious, and the danger of a permanent mass settling of Cyprus by Turkey is visible.
Nearly all the Turkish settlers would be granted citizenship or residence rights leading to citizenship. The central government would have limited control towards future Turkish Immigration. Those settlers opting to return to Turkey would be compensated by Cyprus and Greek Cypriots. Even though Turkey systematically brought in the settlers to alter the demography of the island, it had no responsibility for their Repatriation.
The Plan simply disregarded the plain language and clear meaning of the Geneva Convention of 1949, section III, article 49, which prohibits colonization by an occupying power. Article 49 states in its last paragraph: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."
The Plan did not deal in full with the demilitarisation of the illegal 'TRNC', and Greek Cypriots felt they had no reason to believe Turkish promises concerning the withdrawal of troops.
Cyprus would be excluded from the European Common Defense and Foreign Policy, while Turkish troops would remain in Cyprus even after the accession of Turkey to the EU with intervention rights (a military invasion - occasionally used euphemistically) in the Greek Cypriot component state.
Many Greek Cypriots interpreted the Right of Return policy as to be seriously flawed, meaning only 20% of Greek Cypriot refugees would be able to return over a time frame of 25 years, whereas Turkish Cypriots would have had full right of return.The plan denied to all Cypriots rights enjoyed by all other EU citizens (right of free movement and residence, the right to apply to work in any position (including national civil services, the right to vote).
Turkish Cypriots would have gained all the basic demands it made, from the first day of the implementation of the solution. To be exact, 24 hours after the holding of the referendum. In contrast, everything that the Greek Cypriots were aspiring to achieve, would have postponed without guarantees and depend upon the good will of Turkey to fulfil the obligations it undertakes. They are also subject to the precondition that all would have gone well.
The return of the Turkish occupied land will take place in the period between three and a half months and three and a half years from the moment the solution is signed with no guarantees whatsoever that this shall be implemented. The Cypriot-Greek proposal of placing these areas under the control of the UN Peace Keeping Force and not the Turkish army has been rejected.
The Plan did not address the issue of the British Sovereign Base Areas (SBAs) on the island, although parts of the SBAs would be transferred to the governments of the two consituent states.
The British were granted rights to unilaterally define the continental shelf and territorial waters along two base areas and to claim potential mineral rights. Under the 1959-1960 London Zurich agreements, Britain did not have such rights (see the 2nd annex to the Additional Protocol to the 1959 Treaty of Establishment).
The plan absolved Turkey of all responsibility for its invasion of Cyprus and its murders, rapes, destruction of property and churches and looting and forcing approximately 200,000 Greek Cypriots from their homes and property. The Cyprus government filed applications to the European Commission on Human Rights on September 17, 1974 and on March 21, 1975. The Commission issued its report on the charges made in the two applications on July 10, 1976. In it the Commission found Turkey guilty of violating the following articles of the European Convention on Human Rights:

Can you see why I always post that if the AP f was orced on the people (without a referendum) it would in no time collapse , the reasons are numerous , just a few are listed above.

Yes, I can see why the author of the points above has taken that position, but without knowing the source I can't judge how biased or unbiased the author is.

There is an interesting paper on the effect of the AP on the 'neutral voter' http://dscholarship.lib.fsu.edu/undergrad/46/

It makes an interesting point; that the new political system presented by the AP was psychologically too extreme for voters to accept. Here's a short excerpt:

"The question then arises as to why the referendum failed. The argument of this thesis is that the Annan Plan did not attract the approval of the “neutral voters”. The concept of the “neutral voter” for this thesis will be defined as a voting person in Cyprus who does not have a bias against reconciling the conflict of Cyprus with the other ethnicity. By not having a bias against reconsolidating the island in a peaceful manner, these voters would be the optimum group from which to solicit support. Therefore accepting that due to the conflict and tensions that arose in Cyprus that there may exist a portion of the populations that are against peaceful reconciliation by people of both sides, and that only the portion of the populations are neutral in sentiment towards reconciliation, it would then be noted that for the Annan Plan to have succeeded in gaining the support it needed to be passed it would have needed to entice the neutral voters into to voting in favor of resolving the situation."

[Piratis]

The Annan plan was a partition plan created by the AngloAmericans and they then tried to impose it on us days before Cyprus entered the EU, not to solve the Cyprus problem, but to close it in favor of their good friend Turkey, so their good friend would not have the Cyprus obstacle in their EU accession process.

Here is a video of how the British forced the 1960 agreements: http://media3.filewind.com/g.php?filepath=1624 . there you can see the British PM, and the then governor of Cyprus discussing with Turkey about partition and then blackmailing Greece and Cyprus to accept their terms.

Thats how the Annan plan was "negotiated" as well. Basically they British took what they wanted, the Turks took what they wanted, and they were expecting us to just accept it without even securing our human and democratic rights on our own island.

Fortunately, unlike 1960, this plan was placed in referendum, and naturally people rejected it as it was totally unacceptable.

[Piratis]

reportfromcyprus, you have the people who rejected the plan telling you directly their reasons, and you are giving us the thesis of some undergraduate student in the USA to tell us why we voted no?

Sorry, but that is showing a total disrespect to us.

[miltiades]

reportfromcyprus , go to google and search "the annan plan " , The saurce is wikepaedia.
The full Plan is there also , it can take a good day to comprehend how dangerous this plan would have been for Cyprus. There are simply far too many divisive factors , the ensuing results had the plan been accepted would have eclipsed the 60s conflict , there are far more weapons in C

[reportfromcyprus]

Actually, Piratis, the reason for posting his thesis is not to show people why they voted no, but to explore the idea of bias and neutrality.

"sorry", now that's a word I never thought I'd hear from you

[miltiades]

continue...
reportfromcyprus , go to google and search "the annan plan " , The source is wikipaedia.
The full Plan is there also , it can take a good day to comprehend how dangerous this plan would have been for Cyprus. There are simply far too many divisive factors , the ensuing results had the plan been accepted would have eclipsed the 60s conflict , there are far more weapons in Cyprus now than ever before.

[reportfromcyprus]

In that case, militiades, I look to the leaders for a good and constructive alternative. Where is it?

[Viewpoint]

Whats the GC alternative? its been nearly 3 years since they rejected it and they have not come up with anything to replace the AP. Lots of talk no action. Now their little EU game has faltered what will they do? wait for Turkey to reform to EU norms? well you are going to have a long long long wait.

[Piratis]

And we would not even be allowed to propose changes to it, otherwise the Turks will say thats an excuse to invade again, and say it is our fault as well. Can you imagine? To be the 82% of the population of country, to impose an unfair plan on you, and then not to be allowed to even propose changes, not even the ones that would bring Cyprus in accordance to the EU acquis, as if we are second category EU citizens!