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[mehmet]

Kifeas,

I don't point my finger at anyone, you can do your worst I am not intimidated by your veiled threats, save your threats for children and animals with small IQ's, you cannot bully me into silence.

For your information in this forum I have criticised the conduct of Turkish soldiers towards Greek Cypriot women, I have advocated the return of Varosha for nothing in return and am among the few that would prefer a single multi-cultural state with protection enshrined in constitution and within EU laws for the citizens of that state. Few divorces happen because only one party is responsible and no reconciliation is possible if one side maintains they are the the victims and everything is the fault of the other. Show some maturity to acknowledge your failings and stop shouting traitor everytime someone from within your own community doesn't follow the 'agreed' line. Do you live in a democracy or dictatorship?

In the past you can read the postings of ErolZ, Metecyp and Brother (just to name a few) who also take a position independent of the 'agreed' (by nationalists) line. If you don't like it participate in other places where you can all agree with each other and speak to yourselves.

Now on this day of all days it is better to remember that one of Christ's teachings is to love your enemy so I am willing to overlook your threats and hope we can return to civilised debate.

[reportfromcyprus]

Reportfromcyprus posted>
"""Although frankly speaking, if a UN-brokered solution wasn't acceptable in 2004 (that was put together after decades of negotiations and based on the expertise of teams of constitutional specialists), then there's very little chance of finding another solution that will be acceptable to everyone!!!

With due respect the AP was merely put together by the US and Brittain influencing the plannners at every stage of the lengthy negotiations. It was a plan that was designed to legalise the occupation by a foreign power of 1/3 of Cyprus. It was a plan that blatantly ignored the wishes of the vast majority of Cypriots for a truly united Cyprus not a Cyprus that would eventually , had the plan been accepted , fall into chaos and inter-communal conflict .Why the hell should I a Cypriot accept a plan that the Greek and Turkish flags would be flying high on our police stations , government buildings and municipalities. The Cypriot identity was totally ignored and coupled with the fact that the invading power was been exonerated and given the green light to control the destiny of my nation. All the bullshit written on the AP is purely that , bullshit favouring foreign interests without considering the future of the island and its people . It was a plan doomed from the start to fail. You are a journalist , I would be grateful if you could point me to one sentence in the AP where Unification of our Island was the predominant matter. Even our Cypriot roads were divided into TURKISH AND GREEK CONTROL .

With all due respect militiades, it depends on how you define unification; the plan talks about a 'comprehensive settlement of the cyprus problem' and has many different proposals for solving power sharing and property issues. As to your point about the plan being merely put together by us & uk interests, well, my understanding is that you are responsible for what you sign, and one of the sentences in this plan was:

"We, the democratically elected leaders of the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots, through negotiations under the auspices of the Secretary-General of the United Nations in which each side represented itself, and no-one else, as the political equal of the other, have freely agreed to settle the Cyprus Problem in all its aspects in the following comprehensive manner:"

Nobody forced them to sign this.

And ever since then, things are going backwards, not forwards. If you're looking back, you can't have vision.

[Sotos]

Greek Cypriots did bad, Turks did much worst. Can anybody deny this? So why the Turks want to continue crimes? If they continue then after some time we will react and do crimes against them. They will blame us again? Why don't they stop now? Are Greek Cypriots supposed to take all the crimes against them and never react? WTF?

[Kifeas]

Reportfromcyprus posted>
"""Although frankly speaking, if a UN-brokered solution wasn't acceptable in 2004 (that was put together after decades of negotiations and based on the expertise of teams of constitutional specialists), then there's very little chance of finding another solution that will be acceptable to everyone!!!

With due respect the AP was merely put together by the US and Brittain influencing the plannners at every stage of the lengthy negotiations. It was a plan that was designed to legalise the occupation by a foreign power of 1/3 of Cyprus. It was a plan that blatantly ignored the wishes of the vast majority of Cypriots for a truly united Cyprus not a Cyprus that would eventually , had the plan been accepted , fall into chaos and inter-communal conflict .Why the hell should I a Cypriot accept a plan that the Greek and Turkish flags would be flying high on our police stations , government buildings and municipalities. The Cypriot identity was totally ignored and coupled with the fact that the invading power was been exonerated and given the green light to control the destiny of my nation. All the bullshit written on the AP is purely that , bullshit favouring foreign interests without considering the future of the island and its people . It was a plan doomed from the start to fail. You are a journalist , I would be grateful if you could point me to one sentence in the AP where Unification of our Island was the predominant matter. Even our Cypriot roads were divided into TURKISH AND GREEK CONTROL .

With all due respect militiades, it depends on how you define unification; the plan talks about a 'comprehensive settlement of the cyprus problem' and has many different proposals for solving power sharing and property issues. As to your point about the plan being merely put together by us & uk interests, well, my understanding is that you are responsible for what you sign, and one of the sentences in this plan was:

"We, the democratically elected leaders of the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots, through negotiations under the auspices of the Secretary-General of the United Nations in which each side represented itself, and no-one else, as the political equal of the other, have freely agreed to settle the Cyprus Problem in all its aspects in the following comprehensive manner:"

Nobody forced them to sign this.

And ever since then, things are going backwards, not forwards. If you're looking back, you can't have vision.

Report, nobody signed the above! This was part of the pre-amble of one of the Annan plan versions, not the last one, which would have been signed only if the two leaders would have agreed to seek for its approval by the people through the referendums. Nobody pre-signed the Annan plan, or any specific part of it for this matter. At least and at last, learn what you are trying to talk about!

[reportfromcyprus]

You've just admitted that the plan was negotiated, since it changed forms. And they did sign it, and in the final version was this statement:

"We, the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots, exercising our inherent constitutive power, by our free and democratic, separately expressed common will adopt this Foundation Agreement."

Not too far from one of the first versions.

[reportfromcyprus]

Look, this thing is in the past, and that's just what I'm talking about, what's the future?

[Kifeas]

You've just admitted that the plan was negotiated, since it changed forms. And they did sign it, and in the final version was this statement:

"We, the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots, exercising our inherent constitutive power, by our free and democratic, separately expressed common will adopt this Foundation Agreement."

Not too far from one of the first versions.

Report, how old are you?

[reportfromcyprus]

Do you really want to know or are you lining me up for another zinger?

[Kifeas]

Do you really want to know or are you lining me up for another zinger?

Report, to cut a long story short, you said:
"You've just admitted that the plan was negotiated, since it changed forms."

Now tell me (a) where have I admitted that the plan was negotiated and (b,) if the above is a logical statement for one to have made?

You have said in other words that, because a chair has 4 legs, as many as a dog has, then the dog is a chair. Is it a logical thing to say that because the plan changed forms, it means that it was negotiated and agreed? Couldn't the authors -Lord Haney, Annan and de Sotto had simply modified their own brain child, on their own accords, without necessarily this being the result of negotiations and agreed changes by the interesting parties? Of course it is possible, and as a matter of fact this was the case, from one version to the next one. Yet, you make the above illogical assumption and conclusion, that only a child that had not yet developed logic to its fullest could have possibly made!

Furthermore, you said: “And they did sign it, and in the final version was this statement:”
Isn’t this a complete nonsense?

The only thing the two leaders signed was to give Kofi Annan the right to make amendments to his previous version’s plan -which they did not sign either, and then put the final product (after the whatever amendments) in front of the people in a referendum, to approve or reject it. The two leaders did not agree to accept the content of the plan themselves, but only to ask the people if they accept it or not! The two leaders only agreed with Kofi Annan to ask the people in a referendum, and not to accept or sign the plan themselves! They would have agreed with it and sign it as the solution of the Cyprus issue, only if the people would have accepted it.

I said and I repeat again that you should at least first lean what you are trying to talk about, and then attempt with the assertiveness of ten Einsteins to criticise anyone -set aside the very president himself, for their positions and views.

Start from this book, and you will learn a lot!

http://www.amazon.com/International-Rel ... F8&s=books

[Bananiot]

Word of warning: Claire Palley is on the pay roll of Papadopoulos.