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[miltiades]

Issy , you are a very sensible individual and I respect you a great deal.
Happy new year .

[MR-from-NG]

Growup,
The statement is self evident and self explanatory I can support the concept of a united Cyprus without actually going back to live where I was born . Using emotive phrases like stolen property doesnt help anyone and betrays yours underlying prejudice. You conveniently forget the property abandoned by the TC's in the south. You cannot steal what you already partly own.So less of the nonsense a bit more realism in people's expectations and we may get somewhere. If your leaders are cynical enough to promise that everybody will go home when they know this will not be possible and you are stupid enough to believe them then we the sad state of affairs that we have today. And by the way a happy new year to you too.

Excellent response Issy. Happy new year to you and all the members of the forum.

[Natty]

Natty Wrote:

"""I know...but the thing that I get frustrated about is when I read that 'the GC's only wanted 'enosis' to oppress or even get rid of the TC's'....I know that for the vast majority (99.9% of the population in fact ) that wasn't the case at all! """

Absolutely correct. The T/Cs were not a target and neither was any consideration given to the fact that they would object to Enosis. My generation who lived through the EOKA period will tell you the slogans popular at the time and none had anything to do with the T/Cs who simply were not in the frame . We , my generation , never even considered what the T/Cs feelings were , we just simply considered Cyprus to be our country and the T/Cs were a mere minority , a small one at that.

That's how it seems to me, I completely agree that the TC's views weren't really taken into consideration, but that doesn't mean that the GC's wanted TC's out of Cyprus. How are the TC's ever going to trust the GC's when they are being told that the only reason GC's wanted enosis was to oppress them and maybe even exterminate them? When, from what I can see, for the vast majority that was untrue?

Peace!

[Issy1956]

Miltiades,
We may disagree on some things but I have not the slightest doubt that you, like me are a committed Cypriot first and foremost who would like see to a united Cyprus in our lifetime. Happy new year to you and your family and I hope that it brings you everything that hope for.

[miltiades]

Natty , I said it before and once again I will say it loud and clear. The kids I grew up with , spend time in an orphanage were primarily Cypriot , Turkish and Greek . Cyprus would not be my birth country without those kids that drew their first breath under the same moon stars and Sun with the blistering summer days and the frighteningly thunderous winter nights. I love my T/c brothers , kids that I grew up with , kids that have grown up and in adulthood still my Cypriot brothers and sisters . Cyprus would not be the same without crickets , sparrows , hot summers , barbouni , souvla , halloumi , tavli or T/Cs.

[Viewpoint]

Natty , I said it before and once again I will say it loud and clear. The kids I grew up with , spend time in an orphanage were primarily Cypriot , Turkish and Greek . Cyprus would not be my birth country without those kids that drew their first breath under the same moon stars and Sun with the blistering summer days and the frighteningly thunderous winter nights. I love my T/c brothers , kids that I grew up with , kids that have grown up and in adulthood still my Cypriot brothers and sisters . Cyprus would not be the same without crickets , sparrows , hot summers , barbouni , souvla , halloumi , tavli or T/Cs.

Great to hear but that is now history and we have all moved on to something else, it is now 2007 you are stuck in the past. Face reality and how you GCs intend to unite the communities, only then can you ever think about encouraging a Cypriot people.

[miltiades]

VP . look who is calling , once again the kettle black. I'm stuck in the past with wonderful memories and scenarios that existed and can still exist today. You posted:

"""it is now 2007 you are stuck in the past. Face reality and how you GCs intend to unite the communities, only then can you ever think about encouraging a Cypriot people. ""

You are constantly going back to early 60s in order to sustain your now defunct arguments on massacres.
You Viewpoint face realities that Cyprus and its people exist and have done so for centuries as Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

I refer to the past becuase we need to learn from the mistakes so that we do not fall into the same traps in the future, thats why those important lessons should not be forgotten. Your referral to the past is just that a dream of how things were, the vase has been broken and it will never be the same, you have to face that fact and move on.

[zan]

I was in Cyprus 2 weeks before the 1974 intervention and witnessed my cousins toyota van riddled with bullet holes from a Greek machine gun. You call that living in peace.

[miltiades]

VP , ITS YOU MATE WHO POSTED THIS :"""it is now 2007 you are stuck in the past. Face reality and how you GCs intend to unite the communities, only then can you ever think about encouraging a Cypriot people. ""

Make your mind up.