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[Kifeas]

Kifeas such character assessment betrays once again your dislike of Bananiot.
I wonder .

It is not a character assessment! It is a condition of mind!

[Pyrpolizer]

Issy1956,
You are right the Gc were not given the chance to make a fair assesment of the Anan Plan. Look at the one week period given to us to read it and vote for it. If they were given the chance it wouldn't even get 5% yes.
As for the consequences, all he realised was the Anan Plan was suicide, so we had no other choice.
You are underestimating the intelligence of the GCs by saying they were carried away either by Papadopoulos or anyone else.

[miltiades]

Conjuring up utopia is indeed a profound human experience provided always that such destiny is attainable .
This also is a condition of mind.

[Pyrpolizer]

To make you understand a very simple issue. A GC refugee asks: Do I go back home? The Anan plan says if,and if, and if, and if, and if and if.... The simple guy asks again "do I go home yes or no"? if,and if, and if, and if, and if and if.... So the simple guy takes that as a no.
Then he asks "do I get my property back"? The Anan plan says if,and if, and if, and if, and if and if.... you may get 1/3 of it back and wait to be compensated in 30+ years with money from nowhere. The simple guy says "so I actually lose at least 2/3rds".
Now bring in the biggest brains you want, bring electroschock machines, bring aliens from Mars to screw his brain, if you manage to convince that simple refugee guy to vote yes for the Anan Plan then I will cut my throat.

[miltiades]

Issy 1956 , what for me personally was the motivator in opposing the AP, was my intense belief that the AP had it been accepted , would have have led our nation to major conflicts blatantly catastrophic with more bloodshed only this time there would be no resuscitation available to bring our Island back to life as an independent nation. I would never accept the selling of our island to either Turkey or Greece or to any other nation. We have the capacity to unite our Island as one again but sacrifices are required. The AP divided our civil service , our villages , our roads our Police stations etc etc into GREEK AND TURKISH.
Just as the Plan was rejected and and as day follows night this plan would have given militants amongst us enough ammunition to blow us all to smithereens.
What If Turkey , had decided following a minor skirmish , and there would be plenty of instances that such events would occur , to intervene in Paphos , in Limassol or anywhere else for that matter, what then Issy.
And what if a T/C objected to a Police station in his country flying the Greek flag and visa verse.

Above all bear in mind , that History teaches one thing .Grievances must be addressed and not suppressed because suppression leads to aggression.

[Issy1956]

Pyrpolizer,
So how many refugees went home as a result of the big Oxi then? When can these poor long suffering people hope to go home if they wish to do so-did they give some indication of how and when this was going to achieved . Be realist for goodness sake how many GC will in reality go home. I am refugee myself from 1964 with a home on the Green line. We have long ago accepted that we will never go home even if there is a settlement. We have all moved on since those times and made new lives for ourselves and I am sure that many of the GC's driven from their homes in 74 did the same. The argument about going home to ancestral homes is more a nationalist cause than a real practical one about where people will acually live.
Miltiades, we already a divided civil service ,villages, roads and Police stations etc. The idea was to achieve some sort unity. The AP was a step in the right direction-but it was not to be.
I am still waiting to hear from Tpap supporters where we are going with the Cyprob and where a better plan is coming from. Lets hear it for gods sake!

[growuptcs]

Issy1956, Happy New Year. You indicated in your last post that you accepted that you will never go home even if there is a settlement. What kind of statement is that, if your looking to re-unite? Or are you just looking to keep what Turkey stole and you want to call it even and the hell with the GC's? Clarify that statement more clearly or just say that the only solution is the segregated solution so we all know what you mean.

[humanist]

Thank you Miltiadis you have summed it very well. Besides under a United Cyprus I would have thought there would only be one flag flown and that would have been the Cypriot flag.

[Bananiot]

Miltiades, I will answer directly your question. Kifeas shyed away but the truth is I know the man. We have met face to face and had dinner together. He was a very pleasant man and despite our differences of opinion we did not part with a sour taste left in our mouth. Yet, a couple of days later he proposed, in this forum, that I should go and f**k myself.

Now, he proposes that I do not have the mental capacity to comprehend his writings (and more, according to him). Let us take a closer look at his latest rantings. He wrote:

For the record, Niyazi Kizilyurek is a fervent supporter of the immoral, illegitimate and illegal partitionist Annan plan, the plan that attempted to formally and institutionally split Cyprus into two ethnically owned and based “nation states,” and gave the 29% of Cyprus to the complete ownership of the Turkish Cypriot community alone; attempting in this way to eradicate once and for ever all the existencial, historical and cultural rights that the Greek Cypriots have in that part of their country, which they used to inhabit by majority for over 3,500 years, and attempting to legalize all the illegitimate and illegal fait accomplices of the illegal Turkish invasion and occupation.

Anyone Greek Cypriot that doesn’t see the above facts in the Annan plan is either a fool or a naïve person or a liar or someone that has not read the plan himself, or a traitor! Make your choice!

When challenged, by you Miltiades as well as me, he came up with the following:

I only said that those who continue to maintain, to this date, that the Annan plan is not what I have very accurately described above, are indeed any of the above I have claimed.

He has also suggested that I suffer from other ailments too

(Miltiades, do you know what “cognitive dissonance” is? Look for it, as it is what Bananiot (and not only) suffers from!)

but of course he was very polite when we met.

I leave you Miltiades to draw your own conclussions.

[Issy1956]

Growup,
The statement is self evident and self explanatory I can support the concept of a united Cyprus without actually going back to live where I was born . Using emotive phrases like stolen property doesnt help anyone and betrays yours underlying prejudice. You conveniently forget the property abandoned by the TC's in the south. You cannot steal what you already partly own.So less of the nonsense a bit more realism in people's expectations and we may get somewhere. If your leaders are cynical enough to promise that everybody will go home when they know this will not be possible and you are stupid enough to believe them then we the sad state of affairs that we have today. And by the way a happy new year to you too.