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[eracles]

I'm detecting a slow but sure downgrading of the RoC by international media.
Then again I always read too much into things

Feel ingof European Rejection Growing

Greek Cyprus

EU Rebuffs Turkey's Bid to Move on Entry Talks

Greek government on southern Cyprus and "inhabitants of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). "[no quotes]

Now lets see how long it takes for this post to go off topic

[Sotos]

The American and the British governments have started this campaign several months ago. When the wife of Blair was defending the Orams what did you expect? Their intentions could not be more clear. They are trying to finish off what they started in 1960 and then in 1974.

[reportfromcyprus]

Finish what off, Sotos?

[Viewpoint]

Always easier to blame others Sotos, Greek Cypriots have got this down to a fine art. Why not look closer to home, no other than your ex eoka leader Tassos and his cronies are the ones leading you a merry dance that will cement partition for good. Then who will you blame? us, Turkey, USA, UK, EU, UN, even father christmas as long as its not you GCs.

[stuballstu]

The American and the British governments have started this campaign several months ago. When the wife of Blair was defending the Orams what did you expect? Their intentions could not be more clear. They are trying to finish off what they started in 1960 and then in 1974.

Sotos

You may have a valid point about American and British involvement in Cyprus. But please don't forget that Cypriots had a shot of an independent island which the have to be quite frank made a complete arse of. What has happened in Cyprus is a "knock on effect". GC's blame the constitution, which Piratis and other GC's claim was "forced upon" them. That is not true one of the negotiating parties was none other than Makarios who decided to accept a constitution with the intentions of changing it later. Not the best start for a new independent country. Once this started it had a knock on effect on the events up to the present day.

What purpose in this year is a divided Cyprus to the rest of the world?

Why do some GC's think that the world is trying to upgrade the status of the TRNC and recognition to their TC cousins?

Why do the GC's, as the sole recognised government of Cyprus, not take some initiative on solving their own problems instead of looking at other organisations such as the EU?

Support for the ROC is waning throughout the world. Other diplomats, who perhaps do not understand the A-plan, only see that a UN sponsored attempt was given a resounding no and take it as a 2 fingers salute to a settlement.

Cypriots traditionally play the "blame" game really well. As i have stated before Cypriots would pee the bed then blame the blankets.

Have you ever given it some thought that maybe Cypriots were not fit enough to run their own country. Before 1960 if things were not going to well it was blame the British, before that blame the Ottomans this can go alway the way back in Cypriot history. Even today Cypriots still have that same blame mentality. You blame the "evil" Turks, the Americans, the British, the EU, the UN the list is endless. At what point to they plan in taking control over their own country and improving diplomatic relations with Turkey to solve the issues in Cyprus with the "occupiers" ? They could call Turkey "occupiers" for the next 100 years it still won't solve the Cyprob.

Actions do speak louder than words, its only the ROC government who havn't yet discovered it.

[Pyrpolizer]

When you are small and weak all you can do is just depend on others who are strong enough to help you. So why do you find it strange for us to blame others all the time?
Who are those "strong enough" who can help us?
Those who align with Turkey's interests first and outmost.

So what else could we expect from their "help" other than legalising the results of the Turkish invasion?

Until Turkey turns itself to become an enemy of the western powers (and it WILL) nothing will happen in Cyprus.

[reportfromcyprus]

Something that fascinates me is how far apart everyone's positions are, there is true polarisation happening now. People who were moderate are being forced to take one side or the other.

According to Blair, the EU shouldn't turn its back on Turkey. www.reportfromcyprus.com, or straight to the story; http://www.reportfromcyprus.com/Tony%20 ... n%20eu.htm

Judging from his comments, Turkey is definitely not a western enemy.

[MR-from-NG]

Until Turkey turns itself to become an enemy of the western powers (and it WILL) nothing will happen in Cyprus.

Pyrpolizer,

Ataturk said "Peace at home peace in the world"

"Mankind is a single body and each nation a part of that body. We must never say 'What does it matter to me if some part of the world is ailing?' If there is such an illness, we must concern ourselves with it as though we were having that illness."

[Piratis]

The 1960 constidution was forced upon us. It was presented in a form of "take it or leave it" and "leave it" meant Cyprus would remain a colony. So basically no alternative was given.

By the way, with whom did the British negotiate their own constitution of their own country? Why should we even negotiate with foreigners what we will have on our own country?

The ones who are responsible are the ones who take the decisions. Cypriots were never in that position, even thought we have repeatedly asked to be allowed to decide the fate of our island in a democratic way.

Support for the ROC is waning throughout the world.

Bullshit. RoC has the same support form the same countries, and has the same enemies as it always had. Those that oppressed us for centuries, then forced on us the 1960 agreements, then arranged for the 1974 invasion and continue to preserve the occupation, are the same that have gone in a wild propaganda against RoC today.

[MR-from-NG]

By the way, with whom did the British negotiate their own constitution of their own country? Why should we even negotiate with foreigners what we will have on our own country?

Perhaps they interfered knowing what the fate of the TC's would be. Without outside interest in the internal affairs of Cyprus I would not be around to participate on this forum.

There would be no such thing as Turkish Cypriots.